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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: Review Request: Improve the toolbox layout
From:       Thorsten Zachmann <t.zachmann () zagge ! de>
Date:       2009-07-20 5:43:49
Message-ID: 200907200743.52329.t.zachmann () zagge ! de
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Hello,

first of all thanks for fixing the toolbox so more then 10 shapes in a section 
are possible. The toolbox is now useful again for people trying out svn.
> On Sunday 19. July 2009 15.56.09 you wrote:
> > > > Which feature does the patch remove, exactly?
> > >
> > > The patch removes the grouping of sections in chunks that make it
> > > visually clear they belong together. See attached for a screenshot.
> >
> > I am not sure if the screenshot shows the behaviour before or after the
> > patch, but is look a little messy. I suppose it shows how it worked
> > before the patch, as i have the patch applied locally and it looks like
> > in the attached screenshot.
> > Honestly, i think it looks a lot cleaner as the one you sent.
>
> The screenshot I showed is meant to show the concept of the sections as
> small recognizable groups.
> If I put the two screenshots next to each other I observe different things;
> * the sections are still compact and won't change shape between apps and
> between orientation of the toolbox.  This helps recognition of the group as
> a whole.
> * The toolbox in svn wastes less space.

I agree with Jan here that the behaviour with Peters patch is cleaner for me. 
Let me explain:
When you select a shape and the dynamic tools gets shown the place where the 
tools are change totally (this depends on the number of tools per row, it 
happens when there are e.g. 4 columns) with the toolbox in svn. With the patch 
it only adds a line under the default section. The other sections just move 
down but keep their positions. I think that makes it much easier for the user 
to find the tools again. It also clearly shows what belongs together. 

It amount of space used in both versions is compareable sometimes it is less 
without the patch sometimes it is more. In total I would say this is not much 
different.

I have created some screenshots of the toolbox with and without the patch: You 
can see it here:

http://www.zagge.de/tb/

I really would like too hear from the krita developers what they think about 
both solutions as this (the behaviour for the toolbox) at the moment only 
happens in krita as sections are used there.

I agree that reducing the number of tools/dockers is a good but it should be 
thought out well and discussed here.

Have a nice day

Thorsten
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