Hello again. 2008/7/5 Elvis Stansvik : > 2008/7/3 Thomas Zander : >> On Thursday 3. July 2008 15:02:48 C. Boemann wrote: >>> > Yeah, I've been meaning to ask why you think that's a good idea. >>> > Specifically since we already discussed this and everyone on #koffice >>> > disagreed that it would be useful. So why did you commit anyway, did >>> >>> you >>> >>> > make a big change since? >>> >>> Actually I've discussed this with several people on #koffice and they >>> agreed on the concept. >> >> Are we talking about the same discussion? >> >> The points where your suggestions fail are multiple; the user needs to >> manually organize more dockers and has to manually figure out which ones fit >> together and which ones don't >> With the suggestions of boudewijn to use a different size or at least a >> smaller style for the dockers, having multiple tabs will make things look bad >> since those tabs are from Qt dockers and thus will not use this smaller size. >> >> The problem that we detected earlier that its hard to make stuff look good by >> having a pre-defined ordering gets worse if you make each tool show multiple >> tabs. Especially if they get added/removed automagically on changing tool. >> >> Last; it would be weird that *tools* get the option to have multiple dockers, >> but most dock-plugins don't. So people may get confused why some tabs can be >> re-arranged and others can't. >> >> As I said, when we discussed this on IRC some weeks ago people agreed with >> these points. >> I'd summarize it as "we should design proper dialogs, not get the user to pick >> up our slack". >> >> So, can you please answer my first question? Why do you think this is a good >> idea? :) >> I'd love to be convinced why users are in need to have 3 dockers instead of 3 >> tabs in the tool-options-dialog. >> >>> > > Locally I've used that to put the current tabs of the text tool into >>> > > separate dockers. Well not quite, as I now only have a character docker >>> > > and a paragraph docker. The style lists are incorporated in these two >>> > > dockers. >>> > >>> > Separate from that, some other devs have been working on fixing some >>> >>> issues >>> >>> > with the same docker, based on the same IRC discussions :) >>> >>> No, i've talked to Aron Stansvik, and he hasn't worked on it, so was just >>> taking over :) >> >> Hmm, I'm disappointed about that :( Aron and I had a lot of design discussions >> about what the docker should look like. If he doesn't plan to do that anymore >> I'll see if I can make some time for it. > > I'm really sorry. Real Life TM++ :( > > I'm having trouble remembering our exact conversations about the > design, but I do think they were mostly about the issue of focus > between the style lists vs. the canvas, and not so much (at least > nothing conclusive that I can remember) about the actual layout of the > dialogs. I do remember that by the end of the discussions I suggested > that we use mouse double-click in the style lists to select a style, > in addition to an "Apply style" button at the bottom of the lists, and > that you agreed it was a good idea. > > I really should start logging #koffice. > > Anyway, I was glad when I heard from Casper on IRC that he'd started > working on improving the text shape options, as I simply have not had > the time. > >> I believe in the design we made there which would work good for the various >> user groups we focus on. > > We should all remember to recognize in the future when a discussion on > IRC goes into something noting-down-worthy, and then jot it down on > the wiki or somewhere else, or post to ML. There's too much of "but X > was agreed on IRC, how can you say Y" on this list :) > >> Thanks for your efforts, looking forward to your reasons for splitting the >> dockers. > > I'm not completely appalled by Caspers decision to split them, even > though the point of more dockers being confusing has some merit. But > either way, the options needs to go somewhere, and I somehow like that > paragraph and character formatting are in completely different > dockers. I think I like that seperation. But this is completely > ego-centric emotionally speaking.. Need to think about it more.. Sorry I was reading backlog and didn't realize when I sent my mail that this has now been discussed to death in another thread. I want to say that at this point I don't care either way, as I don't think a small thing like this is worth all the heat that's going on, not by far. Elvis > > Thanks Casper for picking up my slack here. > > Regards, > Elvis > > PS. I changed my name to Elvis. DS. > _______________________________________________ koffice-devel mailing list koffice-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/koffice-devel