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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: new layout of koffice apps
From:       Thomas Zander <zander () kde ! org>
Date:       2008-06-20 21:23:11
Message-ID: 200806202323.11315.zander () kde ! org
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On Friday 20. June 2008 20:59:15 C. Boemann wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've long voiced some concerns (as have others) about the layout and
> usabillity of our current docker and tool design.

Thanks for taking it to the next level and doing some brainstorming!

> Basically:
>  - it can't hold all the dockers and info we need, so it becomes clumcy

I'm not sure I follow this problem, can you be more specific?
My observation in, for example, Krita is that things look ok if you take 10 
minutes to organize your dockers and close the duplicates / unwanted ones.
I assume you need more on screen?  What kind of things do you need and what 
resolution screen do you have?

>  - the toolbox approach seems awkward for productivity apps

Its probably not the best of ideas to conclude it being 'awkward' when the 
toolbox and the dockers have various known problems that people *can* fix, 
but just have not gotten around to.  (didn't you promise to do some work on 
margins on dockers? I just saw one stray commit, but not what we discussed)

>  - the toolbox takes up way too much space

Too much space, how?  You still have to fit the icons somewhere...

>  - the shape collection takes up too much space and only kivia really needs
> it

This is a docker (and a plugin even) so lets keep that out of the discussion 
about the tool system.

> I've come to the conclusion that we would be best served by having dockers
> at the top, though they can't be very heigh. But we should conserve space
> anyway by using popups so it's not that bad.

Interresting idea.  Not quite sure if its something we should look into before 
2.1, though.  Please try to get into the mode that we will release soon. Its 
not very helpful to revisit things that technically *work*.

Looking at your screenshot I'm trying to see how this work for other apps. The 
styles list (tool options) doesn't seem fit in your design, it also doesn't 
take into account the limitation of dock widgets having tabs on the bottom 
which makes docking stuff on the top take too much space.
Last problem I see is that putting stuff at the top seems to ignore the 
industry moving towards widescreen. I'm guessing you don't have a widescreen 
display :)

> We should also have the document layoutdocker at the left (common for many
> productivity apps) or right (common for paint apps). Whether we should
> choose one default side for all of koffice can be decided later.

Can you elaborate why you feel this should be on by default?  For KPresenter & 
Krita I can imagine this being useful (and we have it in 1.6).  It would be a 
new thing for all the other apps to have, though.  Not only for KOffice, but 
also if you compare it to other apps.  Did you have an example in mind for 
suggesting that KWord should have a document layout docker by default?

> But we shouldn't have dockers at the bottom or at both sides. It just eats
> too much space.

I'm guessing you don't have a widescreen yet :) (or a second screen)
-- 
Thomas Zander

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