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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: Grouping of applications in Koffice
From:       Robert Knight <robertknight () gmail ! com>
Date:       2005-12-14 12:01:35
Message-ID: 13ed09c00512140401t66b2c3e7t () mail ! gmail ! com
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> This is very MS-Way to bundle everything. Be warned, this only works if you
> have near-monopoly :)

My major objection to adding more applications to KOffice is that it
will distract attention from the core apps, KWord, KSpread and
KPresenter which are in need of a lot more work (and manpower).

There is no harm in "unofficial" apps making use of the KOffice
libraries though.


On 14/12/05, Casper Boemann <cbr@boemann.dk> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 December 2005 10:26, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:
> > Casper, thanks for your idea, BUT:
> >
> > "Organizing" group is a bit weird to me.
> > To a Joe User: does "Organising Applications" mean "tools for organizing
> > applications" ? Like KMenuEditor? Can you see two meanings here?
> That is a bit far fetched IMHO. Yes I can see it when I look hard, but I'm
> confident that no english speaker would have a problem. After all it is in a
> context of listing other application groups.
>
> > Re organizing: As I can see every single KOffice app can to organize
> > _data_, thoughts, or something like that. The same with "Creativity" - why
> > Kexi is not here? I know: because groupings have been chosen not so well
> > compared to current grouping on koffice.org.
> So you want Kexi in creativity. Well it will almost fit just as well there as
> it does in the main group where it is now. Like it or not Kexi is an
> outsider. Except csv import and Kross nothing is shared. And I'm sorry but
> you don't show many signs of wanting to integrate. This will leave it as an
> outsider.
>
> I work in a company with more than 300000 office employees worldwide and none
> of us get a database RAD tool as part of out office pack. We get
> wordprocessor, spreadsheet and presentation. And that is regardless of which
> 3 offered suites we choose (sadly KOffice is not one of them).
>
> > Another problem: Kivio and Krita: both, in most cases, to end user are
> > graphical productivity apps, why to split them? You mentioned you do not
> > see Kivio as graphical app.
> I said nothing of the sort. I said it's not a creativity application.
>
> > I can see it as specialized one; look at current tools people use: e.g.
> > oo.org Draw (Kivio competitor since they are going to share common OASIS
> > format) is both graphical app and flowcharting app for users.
> Sharing of  format is hardly an argument. Would you call Kexi a text editor
> you because it can export a textfile.
>
> > I would say it doesn't that matter you mostly tend to "visualize thoughts,
> > workflows and systems" with Kivio: people look at it as "a tool for basic
> > vector graphics supporting connection lines". The same as with oo.org Draw.
> > (Kivio is not so specialized as Umbrello UML Modeller)
> Well we have two different applications for a reason. If they do the same job
> we should drop either Kivio or Karbon. I don't think that would be very wise.
> I see two very destinct uses. Though I don't want Kivio to become a UML
> modeller I do hope it will focus on modelling, workflowing and visualizing.
> And provide the user with tools to aid in doing just that.
>
> > Also
> > "Helper" is more developer's description compared to "Supporting". I was
> > asumming this work is closed now.
> Ok, my fault. Should be "Supporting"
>
> >  >    "video editor"
> >  >    "music editor"
> >
> > I didnt know there're plans for such apps in KOffice...
> > This is very MS-Way to bundle everything. Be warned, this only works if you
> > have near-monopoly :)
> No there are no such plans that I know of. I just wanted everyone to get a
> feeling of what creativity is.
>
> --
> best regards / venlig hilsen
> Casper Boemann
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