From koffice-devel Sat Oct 15 22:00:26 2005 From: =?utf-8?q?Jaros=C5=82aw_Staniek?= Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:00:26 +0000 To: koffice-devel Subject: Re: KOffice 1.4.1 Accessibility Assessment Message-Id: <200510160000.26649.js () iidea ! pl> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=koffice-devel&m=112941365908167 Gary, thanks for your valuable explanation. > On Friday 14 October 2005 08:59 am, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:>> Re Kexi a11y analysis:>>>> I shouldn't be surptised you run Kexi 0.8, but notice that Kexi has two>> branches: bundled with KOffice and unbundled (it appears this strategy>> has manydisadvantages). First I would propose to run Kexi from SVN or at>> least 0.9, instead of ~one year old Kexi 0.8.1. I noticed a few issues>> could have already been fixed in Kexi 1.0-pre.> > KOffice 1.4.1 was the latest "stable" release at the time I began doing> the> evaluation. This is 0.8. Latest Kexi stable release is 0.9, outside of KOffice. Future releases will most probably be counted and packaged outside of KOffice. Before that, maybe.. try 0.9. > It will be some time before latest release makes it into > distros. If there are identified issues that have since been fixed, we> can note that in the report.> >>>> - "The Choose Project dialog is larger than the screen.">>>> Is this 800x600 screen? Tu run apps with such complicated GUIs when large>> fonts are set, may need using larger resolutions and larger displays,>> right?> > As mentioned in the Overview in the beginning, 1024x768. Higher> resolution without a larger physical monitor screen just makes everything> smaller again,> which defeats the purpose of the larger font sizes of the theme. I have> mixed feelings about most of the "widget is cutoff" or "dialog is too> large"> items I reported. At the large font size of the tested theme, its pretty> challenging to get everything to fit on the screen; probably simply not> achievable for many of the dialogs. It could be argued that a low-sighted> user should have a LARGE monitor (say minimum 21 inches), and I'd have to> agree that is a reasonable expectation. That said, there seem to be some> layout problems in some of the dialogs; problems that I'm guessing are in> the Qt layout engine, but I haven't been able to get a firm understanding> of the> problem or what is wrong. For example, on my system, even with the> default settings and theme, the File Open/Save dialog consistently sizes> itself wider> than my screen, and I can see no good reason for this. It might have> something to do with me running multiple versions of KDE apps under the> same X server, i dunno. There may be a bug with layout settings indeed, because of "embedding open/save dialog within a dialog" trick. > > I was thinking about expanding on the whole issue of screen resolution in> the Conclusions sections, stating for example, that low-sighted users> should acquire the largest monitor screen they can.> >>>> - "The buttons above the Project Navigator panel (left-hand panel of the>> main screen) are too small.">>>> These are toolbar buttons with friendly text labels. Are these smaller>> than toolbar buttons on your computer?> > My screen matches your screenshot here:> > http://www.kexi-project.org/wiki/wikiview/index.php?Accessibility> > The point of the item is that the Project Navigator buttons are smaller> than> the main toolbar buttons. Its a judgement call if that is a problem for> low-sighted users. Given that it does seem to be adjusting their size> according to the theme, I can be be pursuaded to remove the item from the> report.>>>> - "The text of the Property Editor is way too small making it difficult>> to read." - "The “Row” and “of” labels on the Data View and Query View>> toolbars are too small.">>>> I tested this and you're right. All similar bugs will be squashed.> > :)> >>>> - "The background color of the SQL Query Text box in the Text View has a>> dark blue background with black text when it does not have focus, making>> it almost invisible.">>>> We need to report/fix this within Kate Part's default settings.> > Its my plan to collect all the kdelibs accessibility problems I can> identify and report them all together to kde-core-devel mailing list,> rather than filing individual bugs, or is that a bad approach? Good idea; you can add the bug re "not working right arrow key in menu"; or Martin Ellis reported this in kde bugzilla? >>>> - "The Help menu item on the main menu is obscured by the view buttons.">>>> Screenshot please?> > Attached. Notice the four buttons in the upper righthand corner that are> on top of the "Help" menu item.> Thx;KMDI library bug, but as it will be dropped completely, I guess we can treat the bug as "resolved in upcoming versions". -- regards / pozdrawiam, Jaroslaw Staniek / OpenOffice Polska Kexi Developer: http://www.kexi-project.org | http://koffice.org/kexi KDE3, KDE4 libraries for developing MS Windows applications: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDElibs+for+win32_______________________________________________koffice-devel mailing listkoffice-devel@kde.orghttps://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/koffice-devel