From koffice-devel Mon Feb 11 09:31:44 2002 From: David Faure Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:31:44 +0000 To: koffice-devel Subject: Re: Question about your KPresenter's review X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=koffice-devel&m=101341995827993 On Monday 11 February 2002 07:42, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Sunday 10 February 2002 08:15 am, David Faure wrote: > > > The documentation is being worked on - by the very brave team of > > documentation writers. Have a look at koffice/doc/kpresenter on > > webcvs.kde.org. > > I will do so. Thank you. As I just pointed out to Thomas Zander in respond > to a posting by him, though, an end user is not likely to think of trolling > the Web for information on an application. Perhaps more to the point, an end > user who finds that the program interface and on-line help do not enlighten > them about how to use the program's basic features is likely to throw his or > her hands up in frustration *before* getting around to looking on the Web for > information and guidance. You got me wrong! I never said users should go onto a website to find documentation! I was just saying that the next version will come with improved documentation, and that if you wanted to have a look at the current state on the documentation you could find that on webcvs.kde.org! > > But since the UI needs to be improved first, as you noted > > (same work as the one that was done on KWord, cleaning up menus and > > toolbars), it'd be a better idea to do that first, before finishing the > > documentation. > > I have mixed feelings about this. I believe the UI needs to be improved. On > the other hand, KPresenter is out there *now*, and it does perform the basic > tasks--if the user can only figure out how to do so. Fixing the > documentation first will give users incentives to try using KPresenter now. > If you fix the program first, you may find that the users who might have been > willing to give it a try have already given up on it. I don't think it's a good idea to write documentation about "a crippled UI". > > The current work on KPresenter includes zoom support, and using the same > > text-formatting object as KWord, bringing WYSIWYG, more fine-grained > > text-formatting options (e.g. different types of paragraph in the same > > text object etc.) > > All of these sound like improvements. If you like, you can send me the > current version and I will happily attempt to use it, see whether I run into > any other problems/bugs, and let you know about them. I can't "send it to you". KOffice CVS requires Qt3 and KDE3, and KPresenter is under heavy development... better wait a bit. But if you can compile source code or if you can get Eric to do it ;), you can always grab the latest stuff using anoncvs (http://www.kde.org/anoncvs.html) > that the KDE team > needs feedback from non-technical end users in order to achieve a level of > performance that will interest potential users outside the Linux community. Not the kind of feedback that basically says "your program and its documentation suck, you need to improve it *now*", especially when the main problem is lack of developers / time. > But David, that's the point. :-) *You* had no problem using the program > because you helped write it, and understood what features were available and > how to use them. No, I started using it BEFORE I hacked it. I only fixed a few things that were needed at the time, but I'm not person who initially developer KPresenter. I found it quite nice to use even before I had any idea about its source code. > Out of curiosity, which other "applications for making presentations" have > you tried to use? Powerpoint. > I had never used a presentations application before my experience with > KPresenter. However, afterward I experimented a little with MS > PowerPoint--and found text editing, at least, to be a lot easier to deduce > and less frustrating. Doesn't powerpoint work the same way? Click on object to move it, double-click on it to edit it ? -- David FAURE, david@mandrakesoft.com, faure@kde.org http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~david, http://www.konqueror.org KDE 3.0: Konquering the Desktops _______________________________________________ koffice-devel mailing list koffice-devel@mail.kde.org http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/koffice-devel