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Subject: FW: Some help: Adobe and KIllustrator
From: "hal" <hal () isihellas ! com>
Date: 2001-07-03 12:53:51
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Sent to the wrong list, sorry. Now mod me up please.
-----Original Message-----
From: hal [mailto:halh@lineone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 11:15
To: 'kus@iti.cs.uni-magdeburg.de'
Subject: Some help: Adobe and KIllustrator
There are ways of doing things for not a lot of money at all. You have the
ability to ask for their reasons why they ask for a dissuasion. You have the
resources and a lot of people who may actually put in some of their time.
There are Patents, and Trademarks and Copyrights (and Servicemarks), which
are separate ways of registering names and ideas. Also, on separate sides of
the ocean, blurry lines tend to make law difficult, I come from the UK, but
am living in Greece at present. The only thing that is still black and white
are (dns) website names, because each country has their own system centrally
organised from the biggest (usually) town. One thing to check out is whether
you may apply for intellectual copyright, because you may have said to the
world that K Illustrator is here before Adobe said it. I don't know the age
of either product, sorry. But if yours is older, this may give you some
advantages in the case.
I know lawyers are fuckwits, and its all messy, so best worth avoiding if
there is other friends who may get embarrassed about you putting them in a
position. BUT, you may want to speak to them, cause they may be on your
side, and may help you to protect (y)our interests. Especially your
university, as they do a thing where anything you made at college, whether
coursework or not, is actually their property, and not your own, this is in
the UK, maybe the same where you come from. This could have repercussions,
although I doubt, since its not a money-making effort that they be more
sympathetic to your case.
If you go into this with the intention to win, (which is the only way), then
you will have to contend with these antagonistic lawyer people that your
program 'Kills' all other programs, lets them fall by the wayside, and is
actually a play on words, and is not 'Illustrator' at all, at least not by
itself. It is 'Killer Illustrator', which brings to mind something
interesting, of which 'Adobe (the brick colour) Illustrator' is something
completely different. The trick is to actually find out what images these
bring to mind, and exploit them to their fullest in order to win your case.
If you on the other hand don't like this version, then you could argue that
Killustrator is not Illustrator, and is not a word in the dictionary at all.
Just like Word is not that similar to Turd, except in pronounciation, scuse
the pun, if they have a copyright over Illustrator then you want to seek
advice, get some free time from a lawyer as to what they are up to, what
they mean by 'would violate Adobe's trademark'.? Tell them you don't
understand, and want it in plain english. Lawyers will give up to 1 - 3
hours free, which they put as time doing they're better stuff, to ease their
conscience. USE IT!
Alternatively, if you don't want anything to do with these fuckwits then,
look up in a thesaurus the equivalent, but keep in the title something like
'<name>...the program formerly known as KIllustrator'. Like what Prince the
artist did. I believe a company tried to sue him too, maybe I'm wrong, but I
heard it.
There are a lot of people who can help. KI has been in the arena ever since
I stepped into it. Maybe some of these people can offer services, some
money, write it off to their tax, if they're diligent enough to do this. You
need to make this public, somehow. ZDnet, lycos, any news site, therefore if
its ongoing it will pay these sites to put it (the content) on their site,
also, you may be able to get them to 'sponsor' you. Put up the whole letter
with the names of the lawyer submitted, saying this is what <they> did, and
the opposing company. What kind of moral ground they come from, some
history, whatever else you think of. Opensource it.
Be prepared to win, but also be prepared to lose, meaning, if its the case
then make sure that you don't end up paying lawyers fees until 30 years
time.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#008080><SPAN class=740435012-03072001>Sent to the
wrong list, sorry. Now mod me up please.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> hal
[mailto:halh@lineone.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 03, 2001
11:15<BR><B>To:</B> 'kus@iti.cs.uni-magdeburg.de'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Some help:
Adobe and KIllustrator<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>There are ways of doing
things for not a lot of money at all. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>You have the ability to ask for their
reasons why they ask for a dissuasion. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>You have the resources and a lot of
people who may actually put in some of their time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>There are Patents, and
Trademarks and Copyrights (and Servicemarks), which are separate ways of
registering names and ideas. Also, on separate sides of the ocean, blurry lines
tend to make law difficult, I come from the UK, but am living in Greece at
present. The only thing that is still black and white are (dns) website names,
because each country has their own system centrally organised from the biggest
(usually) town. One thing to check out is whether you may apply for intellectual
copyright, because you may have said to the world that K Illustrator is here
before Adobe said it. I don't know the age of either product, sorry. But if
yours is older, this may give you some advantages in the
case.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>I know lawyers are
fuckwits, and its all messy, so best worth avoiding if there is other friends
who may get embarrassed about you putting them in a position. BUT, you may want
to speak to them, cause they may be on your side, and may help you to protect
(y)our interests. Especially your university, as they do a thing where anything
you made at college, whether coursework or not, is actually their property, and
not your own, this is in the UK, maybe the same where you come from. This could
have repercussions, although I doubt, since its not a money-making effort that
they be more sympathetic to your case.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>If you go into this with
the intention to win, (which is the only way), then you will have to contend
with these antagonistic lawyer people that your program 'Kills' all other
programs, lets them fall by the wayside, and is actually a play on words, and is
not 'Illustrator' at all, at least not by itself. It is 'Killer Illustrator',
which brings to mind something interesting, of which 'Adobe (the brick colour)
Illustrator' is something completely different. The trick is to actually find
out what images these bring to mind, and exploit them to their fullest in order
to win your case. If you on the other hand don't like this version, then
you could argue that Killustrator is not Illustrator, and is not a word in the
dictionary at all. Just like Word is not that similar to Turd, except in
pronounciation, scuse the pun, if they have a copyright over Illustrator then
you want to seek advice, get some free time from a lawyer as to what they are up
to, what they mean by 'would violate Adobe's trademark'.? Tell them you don't
understand, and want it in plain english. Lawyers will give up to 1 - 3 hours
free, which they put as time doing they're better stuff, to ease their
conscience. USE IT!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>Alternatively, if you don't
want anything to do with these fuckwits then, look up in a thesaurus the
equivalent, but keep in the title something like '<name>...the program
formerly known as KIllustrator'. Like what Prince the artist did. I believe a
company tried to sue him too, maybe I'm wrong, but I heard
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>There are a lot of people
who can help. KI has been in the arena ever since I stepped into it. Maybe some
of these people can offer services, some money, write it off to their tax, if
they're diligent enough to do this. You need to make this public, somehow.
ZDnet, lycos, any news site, therefore if its ongoing it will pay these sites to
put it (the content) on their site, also, you may be able to get them to
'sponsor' you. Put up the whole letter </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>with the names of the lawyer
submitted, saying this is what <they> did, and the opposing company. What
kind of moral ground they come from, some history, whatever else you think of.
Opensource it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT face=Arial>Be prepared to win, but
also be prepared to lose, meaning, if its the case then make sure that you don't
end up paying lawyers fees until 30 years time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000342707-03072001><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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