Humble apologies. I'm just about to check in a fixed char.cc (after a full compile of the whole directory). The reason for the screw up is the nascent floating frame support makes KWGroupManager a subclass of KWCharAnchor, to implement the relationship between the two...I somehow managed to check in the version with this stuff rather than the safe version. Thanks, Shaheed ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com