Do to a packageing error I had to update the kdebase-01292000-bin.tar.gz and the kdebase-01292000-1.i386.rpm files on nebsllc.com at 14:30pm EST on 1-30-2000. If the file you downloaded does not have that date you have the wrong one. It is missing startkde, and kwin. The new files include those rather important pieces. My appologies to all, but hey... this is an alpha! --------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Molnar New Enland Business Services, LLC Aetna, Inc. Hartford, CT USA Middletown, CT USA molnarc@nebsllc.com molnarc@aetna.com