From koffice Mon Sep 13 11:29:38 1999 From: Peter Penz Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:29:38 +0000 To: koffice Subject: UI-Stds - Summary (was: Close & Exit) X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=koffice&m=93723272412079 Hi! I got many mails about the KDE-UI-Standards site. I'll add many good suggestions the next days and hope you'll like them. I want to give now a small summary, to have a survey about which points have still to be solved and which points seem to be ok. MOUSE: I was very surprised that the mouse-behaviour, which is now in the guidelines, was widely accepted. Maybe this is, because (for sure) there'll be an option in konqueror for the single-click (default: single-click/double-click). So everybody seems to be happy and we have now a conistent way of mouse-behaviour for ALL applications. This point was one of the most important for me to get a consistent solution. DIALOGS: I know the current content isn't very good. Currently there's a discussion how to order the buttons. I personally (!) agree that we should have OK always on the most left (user reads from left to right...). But I don't want to change the current standard, if the new solution is only a small improvement, but we have to change 100 existing applications, which respected the old standard... KEYS: There were many discussions about the keys, before KDE1.0 was there - it doesn't make sense to change this and start the whole discussion again. I got some suggestions and will add (!) some keybindings, which got a standard (e. g. Ctrl+A for Select All). MENU - OPTIONS: Got some mails about the options-menu. Many people don't like the "Save Option". I got allready some solutions, but need some response, about: - should we really change this (it's standard currently)? - if yes: how is the solution (it must be definatly better, otherwise we can't change an old standard!). CLOSE & EXIT: I read all comments about this topic and think it looses the focus while the last discussions. Summary: the suggestion to leave away the Exit was widely accepted (was very surprised about this - but: fine!). So still there is the problem with the Close. Some comments: > > David Faure wrote: > > > > > > I mean if the only way you have to close a window with the mouse is to click its "X", > > > then you don't know what the shortcut for "close window" is. > > > > > > > Also it's possible to disable this "X" in KDE. > > > > But if the user is able do disable the "X" it is very likely that he/she knows > that you can close a window pressing ALT+F4 (or whatever combination > the user has set). Another possibility is to use the "window-menu". > Personally I always use ALT+F4. > (Just my silly opinion) I see no problem here: - 95 % use allready the X-button and not File->Exit. - Others, who use the shortcut know the key. - And users who disable the X-button, still have the window-menu: it's always accessable with the right mouse-button... (but again: why to use such a complicated way to close a window?) > Andreas Lauser wrote: > > I think if we wanna close a FILE we should close it using the FILE menu. > > If we wanna close the window we could use the little menu that usually > > appears if we click on the leftmost icon in the window > > title (I called that "window-menu") > Since it isn't possible to disable this, it sounds good to me. Agree (Comment: it's possible to disable the icon, but not to disable that "window-menu" [right-mouse-click]). > > what's about using > > > > - close document > > - close window > > > > displays should be large enough in between. > > > I think you misunderstood me. I think if we wanna close a FILE we should > close it using the FILE menu. If we wanna close the window we could use the > little menu that usually appears if we click on the leftmost icon in the window > title (I called that "window-menu") or ALT+F4 or KPannel. > I think there are enough ways to close a WINDOW, so don't need to > > offer a "Close Window" item in the File menu. Totally agree. > Assume that there is no window manager running(for whatever reason), > how do you close the window? This may not happen very often but it, > may happen. How do you work without a window-manager? Closing a window: X-button, ALT-F4, menu upper-left (earlier called "window-menu") - still 3 ways to close a window: why offer another one? > Every function of a program should be, in whatever way, > accessible via menus. Yes: every function concerning the content-area. You don't have "move window" or "resize window" in a menu of the application. SUMMARY: before loosing the focus... Thanks for your good comments, but I got no NEW solution, which I can use to put into the standards. Personally I think the current solution you find on http://www.esh.uni-linz.ac.at/~mother/hci/menus/file.html is very consistent and easy to understand. But I need to know, if this will be accepted. If you don't like this solution: - arguments (!), why not... - solution for the problem. Thanks for reading this long mail! Peter