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List:       koffice
Subject:    Re: users book about KOffice
From:       "Eugene Nine" <enine () ninefamily ! com>
Date:       2004-01-30 14:38:54
Message-ID: 200401300702.AA75497550 () ninefamily ! com
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I guess the first decision will be how much overlap between the online help and a book do we want.  I've purchased books before which were basically prints of the online help and nothing else and I've purchased books which were completely advanced features and assume you have read every online help page and I've purchased books somewhere in the middle.   I would also like to see a chapter on scripting and the command line file conversion tool and maybe some information on remote deployments for someone that may be in an office environment and have end users that use Koffice.  That reminds me does Kword have an outline mode?  Something where it recognizes the headings and lets you expand/collapse them and drag them around, I haven't seen anything like that, must be time for a feature request.


On Friday 30 January 2004 10:43 am, Raphael Langerhorst wrote:
> On Thursday 29 January 2004 18:49, Eugene Nine wrote:
> > Eugene Nine
> >
> > I thought somewhere back in one of the early post someone was
> > volunteering
> >
> > :).  I thought koffice 2 or whatever the next version is going to be was
> >
> > going to be soon from all the talk I was seeing so I didn't understand
> > how a book could get published in time and was volunteering to help out
> > on a book for the next release.  Since the next release is far enough out
> > that a book on it will be possible I can volunteer to help on on that. 
> > But after seeing my communication skills you may not wich to take me up
> > on that offer
> >
> > :)
>
> I think it's great if you volunteer to help out. Since KOffice consists of
> many parts it should also be easy to distribute work between more authors.
>
> A general structure of the book might be:
>
> * introduction
> 	* what is KOffice
> 		* what does it have to offer (features,...)
> 		  / what can be done with KOffice
> 		  / KOffice and OOo interoperability
> 		  / areas of deployment
> 		  / What's about this 'K'?
> 	* what is KDE
> 	* what is OSS
> 	* how to install
> 		* prerequisites (kdelibs)
> 		* KOffice on Linux
> 			* rpm/deb package from Linux distributors
> 			* from source
> 		* KOffice on MAC OS X
> 		* KOffice on Windows (Cygwin(possible?))
>
> * A short introduction to KDE
> 	* the panel
> 	* starting KOffice
> 	* ... ?
>
> * KOffice overview
> 	* all that's common in all parts including general look&feel
>
> * Wordprocessing with KWord
> * Spreadsheets with KSpread
> * Presentations with KPresenter
> * Flowcharts and Diagrams with Kivio
> * Business class reports with Kugar
> * Database management with Kexi
> * Drawings with Karbon and Krita
> 	* difference between vector graphics and pixmap(?) graphics
> * Utilities KFormula, KChart
> * ... ?
> * KOffice and other office suites (including interoperability)
> 	* file format
> 	* OOo
> 	* Abiword
> 	* Gnumeric
> 	* MS Office
> 	* Hancom Office
> 	* older versions of KOffice
>
> * other everyday KDE applications:
> 	* Kontact
> 	(* Konqueror)
>
> * future developments
>
> * KDE and KOffice in the internet
>
> * ??
>
>
> Any suggestions on this general book-structure?
>
> Anyone wants to work on one of these chapters?
>
> You think a book with this structure is interesting for users?
>
> My mother tongue is German. What do you think of a translation to English/
> German?
>
> The book will of course cover the next major release of KOffice - the one
> with OOo file formats - either 1.4 or 2.0.
>
>
> I think if the book is well designed (content and look/layout) it will be a
> great support for people wanting to use KOffice - or trying to find out
> which office suite suites them best.
>
>
> greetings,
> Raphael
>
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Raphael Langerhorst <raphael-langerhorst@gmx.at>
> > Reply-To: For discussion about KOffice <koffice@mail.kde.org>
> > Date:  Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:33:38 +0100
> >
> > >comments inline...
> > >
> > >On Thursday 29 January 2004 14:56, Eugene Nine wrote:
> > >> So it sounds like a Koffice 2.0 is much further away than I thought.
> > >> Which is god timing for someone who wishes to write a book, they can
> > >> start on 1.3 and follow the changes/additions and just make the book
> > >> match.
> > >
> > >That's quite the reason why I started the thread (in addition to the
> > > file format change to OOo which should be finished with the next major
> > > release ... IMHO).
> > >
> > >Is anyone volunteering for writing a book?
> > >
> > >> I was worried about using koffice a while back sine I had heard about
> > >> the format changing with 2.0 until I found the command line
> > >> import/convert tool so I felt safe that I could simply convert
> > >> everything over at one point with that tool.
> > >
> > >Yes, KOffice 2.0 is surely some distance off. To my knowledge it is not
> > > even decided what the next version number will be.
> > >
> > >> I assume the templates will follow the OO standard as well, one
> > >> thing I can't do easily in Kword at the moment is use a templae for an
> > >> Avery label.  I have to run open office for that.  Any chance there
> > >> will be command like file viewers/editors (I'm drifting way off the
> > >> topic of the thread here so if someone wants to know why I'll start a
> > >> new thread and explain).
> > >
> > >I think if you are missing some functionality then you should surely
> > > start either a new thread for it or file in a wish item in the bug
> > > tracking system.
> > >
> > >> Eugene Nine
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > >> From: David Faure <faure@kde.org>
> > >> Reply-To: For discussion about KOffice <koffice@mail.kde.org>
> > >> Date:  Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:13:09 +0100
> > >>
> > >> >On Thursday 29 January 2004 14:32, Eugene Nine wrote:
> > >> >> I was looking at the koffice site and the developer.kde.org and I
> > >> >> can't find anything on koffice 2.0?
> > >> >
> > >> >We have only just started the changes post 1.3.
> > >> >The roadmap is yet to be decided upon, the only clear thing is the
> > >> > work on the OOo file format.
> > >> >
> > >> >--
> > >> >David Faure, faure@kde.org, sponsored by Trolltech to work on KDE,
> > >> >[...]
> > >>
> > >> [...]
>
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