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List:       koffice
Subject:    Re: Experiences with KWord 1.2.1 (KDE3.1)
From:       David Faure <dfaure () klaralvdalens-datakonsult ! se>
Date:       2003-02-20 10:57:55
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On Wednesday 19 February 2003 21:33, Rob Buis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > What would be really nice, would be the possibility to draw objects
> > like rectangles, ellipses, stars, bezier curves directly in the text,
> > because this would really fit very well with the desktop-publishing
> > like approach of KWord. Inserting Karbon objects is not an option
> > here. If I design a document and want to put some stars into the text,
> > just to make it look nicer (maybe a Christmas card or something like
> > this), then the text should float around the stars (maybe use two
> > colums and put the star in the middle of the columns). Or it should be
> > possible to put the star in the back and write the text just over the
> > stars in the background.
> >
> > I think Karbon14 already has most of the features I am thinking about,
> > implemented. Probably documents like I am talking about are already
> > possible with Karbon14. But I would also like to see these things in
> > KWord directly. Just imagine some longer texts which few graphical
> > objects to make it look nicer. Then it would be really better to use a
> > word processor and put some graphcis in.
> 
> Hear, hear :)
> I think the embedding works too clumsy here, at least on my system PII 800 it 
> takes 3-5 seconds to switch between kword<->karbon embedded part. This simply 
> doesnt invite to edit any drawed objects, because of the delay.
Then that's the bug that needs to be fixed ;)

> Also the new menu/toolbar can be confusing. 
Ah. One thing we could do, possibly optionally, would be to open the embedded
document in its own view when the user wants to edit it. The framework
already supports that (see View / New view IIRC).

>I think the way ms Word does this is 
> better/good enough, with its biggest advantage that there is no delay between 
> switching from text editing to drawing manipulation, its simply point, click 
> and edit the drawing. I doubt any average user would want much more than what 
> ms word has to offer on the drawing side.
Many many people find the msword way very clumsy - me included.
As soon as you add a paragraph above, your drawing objects move in a more
or less random way (I guess because they get automatically anchored to
different paragraphs/characters). The inlining mechanism looks very hackish
to me in MSWord, generally.

- -- 
David Faure -- faure@kde.org, dfaure@klaralvdalens-datakonsult.se
Qt/KDE/KOffice developer
Klarälvdalens Datakonsult AB, Platform-independent software solutions
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