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List:       koffice
Subject:    RE: KDatabase for KOffice
From:       "Lukas Smith" <smith () dybnet ! de>
Date:       2001-11-01 19:45:06
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Ok,

Well wouldn't make more sense to resolve those "issues" in Qt rather
then slapping another lib onto something that is build on top of Qt?

Why not work with Qt to solve its short comings?
Just seems to make more sense to me.

Anyways I hope that some of your companies products will help my company
move away from Microsoft products.

Best regards,
Lukas Smith
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: koffice-admin@mail.kde.org [mailto:koffice-admin@mail.kde.org]
On
> Behalf Of Shawn Gordon
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:21 PM
> To: koffice@mail.kde.org
> Subject: RE: KDatabase for KOffice
> 
> At 03:50 AM 11/1/2001, you wrote:
> >So you will stick with KDB even with Qt3.0 ?
> 
> I'm telling you, we really really tried to use QtSQL, it just doesn't
cut
> it.
> 
> >I don't know exactly what RDBMS Qt3.0 supports ...
> >But you currently only have mysql support with postgresql and
Informix
> >on the horizon ...
> 
> yes, we have xBase, mysql, and postgresql currently - we will add an
ODBC
> driver next to support the widest range of databases as quickly as
> possible, then we will add DB2, Oracle, Sybase and SQL Server and then
> just
> take it from there as needed.
> 
> 
> 
> >Lukas Smith
> >smith@dybnet.de
> >_______________________________
> >  DybNet Internet Solutions GbR
> >  Alt Moabit 89
> >  10559 Berlin
> >  Tel. : +49 30 83 22 50 00
> >  Fax : +49 30 83 22 50 07
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> >_______________________________
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: koffice-admin@mail.kde.org
[mailto:koffice-admin@mail.kde.org]
> >On
> > > Behalf Of Shawn Gordon
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:14 AM
> > > To: koffice@mail.kde.org; koffice@kde.org
> > > Cc: dbailey@dnetworks.com
> > > Subject: Re: KDatabase for KOffice
> > >
> > > The only thing I'm aware of that is really doing what you want is
a
> > > product
> > > from my company (theKompany) - sorry for the plug, but people
> >constantly
> > > ask for this.  In any case you can check out
> > > www.thekompany.com/products/rekall for details and
> > > www.sf.net/projects/rekall for a download.
> > >
> > > Being part of KOffice doesn't really make sense other than as
being
> > > bundled
> > > with the office suite, which does make sense, but there isn't a
lot
> >you
> > > can
> > > do to take advantage of the embedding I don't think.
> > >
> > > Now I've heard Faure say that KWord will never have scripting,
this
> >makes
> > > things like mail merge a bit difficult, and that was always my
dream
> >to
> > > implement in KOffice, so we are going to be implementing it as
part of
> > > HancomOffice instead (www.hancom.com/en).
> > >
> > > Rekall comes with a default xBase style database, but you can
easily
> >use
> > > MySQL and PostgreSQL if you wish as well as some other databases
that
> >are
> > > coming along.
> > >
> > > We've spent time with QtSQL and if you think that making something
> >like
> > > Rekall with it under Qt3 and KDE3 is going to be a piece of cake,
you
> >are
> > > going to be disappointed as we were.  We tried to use it, but
there
> >are
> > > far
> > > too many limitations in it for this type of application at the
moment,
> > > however it will certainly have other uses outside of this.
> > >
> > > Shawn
> > >
> > > At 08:33 AM 10/31/2001, Dave Bailey wrote:
> > > >Hey guys,
> > > >
> > > >I  and my compadres work with technology in a lot of schools up
and
> >down
> > > the
> > > >eastern coastal area. (Mostly in the Carolinas.)
> > > >
> > > >There is a LOT of interest in moving away from Microsoft Works or
> > > Microsoft
> > > >Office- especially since Microsoft has been getting far expensive
> >with
> > > their
> > > >new licenses.
> > > >
> > > >The one obstacle? The computer skills tests in most districts I
work
> >with
> > > >require a database.
> > > >
> > > >Currently, Linux has lots of database backends, but not many easy
> > > database
> > > >front-ends.
> > > >
> > > >I would love to see something simple, like a database frontend
based
> >on
> > > >FileMaker or even just Microsoft Works database module.
> > > >
> > > >Access is a bit of a disaster for schools, so most schools stick
with
> > > >Microsoft Works just because of the easy-to-use database. (IE- in
a
> > > computer
> > > >schools test, you don't want your students failing because they
can't
> > > >understand a basic computer skill due to the fact the software
GUI
> > > stinks.)
> > > >
> > > >A basic database for KOffice would help free a lot of these
school
> > > districts
> > > >from paying HUGE sums of money to Microsoft year after year. Many
of
> > > these
> > > >school systems are strapped for cash and can't afford to purchase
> >needed
> > > >upgrade computer systems and networks due to software expense. (I
see
> > > many
> > > >systems still using Macintosh (not PowerMacs) and 386/486
systems.)
> > > >
> > > >A basic database would really help- it should probably allow for-
> > > >
> > > >1. A single file storage approach to saving a local database.
> > > >2. Both form and list views of the data. The form view should
have
> >some
> > > basic
> > > >interface element options like popup lists, checkboxes and radio
> >buttons.
> > > >3. Very basic report printing based on the layouts for simplicity
> >sake.
> > > >4. Import and export capabilities of, at least, text command and
tab
> > > >delimited files.
> > > >5. A find/filter capability to show a sub-set of all the records
> >based on
> > > >search criteria.
> > > >6. Wysiwyg layout creation.
> > > >7. multiple field sorting capability
> > > >
> > > >Some other features that would be nice, but not at all required-
> > > >
> > > >1. spell checking.
> > > >2. integration with KWord for things like automating mail merges
> > > >3. a simple scripting language to automate certain tasks.
> > > >
> > > >What do you think. Have you discussed any of this? I've looked
around
> >for
> > > >this solution and found *nothing*. Plenty of power databases, but
no
> > > >easy-to-use ones.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for listening-
> > > >
> > > >Dave Bailey
> > > >Senior Network Engineer
> > > >Data Networks
> > > >dbailey@dnetworks.com

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