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List:       kmail-devel
Subject:    Re: [Bug 55474] enabling 'automatically select icons' changes current mailbox folder
From:       Ingo =?iso-8859-15?q?Kl=F6cker?= <kloecker () kde ! org>
Date:       2003-03-20 0:45:07
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On Wednesday 19 March 2003 01:26, Luis Pedro Coelho wrote:
> Le Mercredi 19 Mars 2003 00:21, Ingo Klöcker a écrit :
> > On Tuesday 18 March 2003 20:12, Carsten Burghardt wrote:
> > > Proposed fix attached.
> >
> > With this patch a folder is marked as selected although the
> > contents of another folder is shown. This is IMO very confusing.
> > OTOH this odd behavior is consistent with the behavior of
> > Konqueror.
> >
> > Another thing is that with this patch a user might have to double
> > click a folder in order to open it (if he uses double click to open
> > files/folders). This would also make KMail more consistent with
> > Konqueror and probably other KDE apps. But it will certainly
> > confuse long-time KMail users which use double click everywhere
> > else.
> >
> > I tend to accept this patch. But I'd like to hear what the other
> > developers think about this.
> > The first point is IMO no problem since the whole autoselect
> > feature is anyway a completely stupid thing. People who use this
> > will have to live with the confusion it causes.
> > The second point, OTOH, will dramatically change the KMail
> > experience for some users.
> >
> > Opinions?
>
> I don't have any idea what you are talking about.
>
> I use select-on-mouseover on kde and kmail from HEAD and it has shown
> the behaviour the patch says it provides for some time, though
> previously it was like the bug describes. I must say I much prefer
> this behaviour. Had I seen the bug earlier, I might have closed with
> FIXED :)

Bugs which are present in the current stable version (i.e. KDE 3.1.x) 
shouldn't be closed as fixed just because HEAD isn't affected.

> A word about select-on-mouseover:
>
> I use it and I think it is sometimes helpful for konqy as a
> file-browser. IMHO, drawing a square around a file to select it is
> stupid bc some users will not find it and it takes some mouse
> precision which is sometimes difficult especially with a mousepad on
> a laptop.

You can simply use Ctrl+LMB to select a file without opening it. But 
whatever.

> The difference with regards to konqy as a file-browser is that there
> selecting a file does nothing at all, it just selects it so that
> other operations like Delete have a target to work on. Here it would
> be pretty stupid because "selecting" would be more like "open". It
> doesn't mean anything to just mark a folder as "selected" and not
> open it.

I agree.

> A true fix, though that could be difficult to implement, would be to
> restringe the select-on-mouse-over feature to places where it makes
> sense, while disabling it here, for example.

This would also be my preferred solution. But this requires changes in 
KListView.

Regards,
Ingo


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