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List:       kfm-devel
Subject:    RE: FWD: RE: FWD: A question about konqueror
From:       Jonathan Lee <jel846s () smsu ! edu>
Date:       2001-05-26 12:51:49
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It doesn't look like Jelmer is around at the moment (or maybe has responded to 
the kfm-devel list, something I need to subsribe to. So I apologize for my 
ignorance but the following will explain my distration from getting that 
done), I'd personally like to know where he's gone with his vision of the 
project to prevent duplicate work.  No need to reinvent the wheel so to speak.
 Update here, I'm moving this week and starting a new job - so that's going to 
render me a bit on the fringe anyway, and I have a new two week old son named 
Alex and he absorbs most of the rest of my time.  I can look into starting 
something like this mid to late June, but wanted to cover all my bases before 
I did.  My school taught Java/Scheme/Perl/VB (the VB was a stupid reqirement).
 So I'm teaching myself C/C++ on the fly here and that will likely be a 
hinderment, which is why I had hoped someone had started work on updating the 
sidebar or at least creating plug-in tags in the code to make sure all of this 
stays _sane_.  A few of my friends code well in C, and are interested in such 
a project, but they are teaching themselves C++ right at the moment for this 
and are worried we might open the proverbial pandora's box.  I'll keep people 
informed as we go, but might appriciate any major opinions about where toes 
lie so when we stomp on them, we know we're doing it ahead of time.  :-)

Jonathan Lee



>===== Original Message From Carsten Pfeiffer <carpdjih@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de> 
=====
>On Freitag, 25. Mai 2001 11:41 David Faure wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm glad there is interest in the sidebar! At the moment, Jelmer Feenstra and
>a friend of him are working in it, AFAIK. Jelmer, are you subscribed to
>kfm-devel?
>
>I don't have the time to work on it myself right now, but I'll gladly assist
>in design or any other questions. I might find the time end of next week to
>help coding.
>
>Maybe it would be a good idea to define the interface of such a plugin for
>the sidebar? It surely will have to be refined later, but it would give you a
>start to write plugins before the sidebar is ready.
>
>I'm also interested in a search-component, where you can search for all kinds
>of things (I wrote the kmrml plugin for Konqueror which lets you search for
>images by their content, utilizing the GNU Image Finding Tool (GIFT)).
>
>[quoting the entire mail so that Jelmer knows what we're talking about :) ]
>
>> Carsten, what's the status of the tabbed sidebar ?
>>
>> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>> Subject: RE: FWD: A question about konqueror
>> Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 04:54:33 -0500
>> From: Jonathan Lee <jel846s@smsu.edu>
>> To: David Faure <david@mandrakesoft.com>
>>
>> >The first is very easy: a hidden file in the directory itself. This way it
>> >remains associated with the directory if it gets copied, or moved, or
>>
>> renamed. >This can either be a field of the .directory file (after encoding
>> the \n >characters... hmm, some trickery needed here),or simply a new file,
>> say >.dirnotes or whatever Nautilus use (why not choose the same, for
>> compatibility).
>>
>> I agree that this would be the most practicle approach and very scalable to
>> new features being added.
>>
>> >The second is open to suggestions. A plugin could indeed be a way: that
>>
>> means, a >menu item that triggers some code in a separate library, to -for
>> instance- pop >up a dialog and ask for the notes to be entered. But another
>> way is to relate >this to the 3rd point (visualizing) by simply making the
>> notes editable (so, >seeing and editing can be done at the same place).
>>
>> Usability is of utmost importance and would probably lead towards the
>> second - much like Nautilus, the editing and reading would be done both in
>> the side bar.  This requires the most work, and will probably cause
>> frustrations, but will pay of in the long run in ease of use.  With the
>> Nautilus source as an example it should be attainable.
>>
>> >but currently Konqueror's sidebar can't play that role, as long as it's a
>>
>> simple >tree view. There are plans to make it something with tabs, where
>> some tabs could >host a tree view, but other tabs could for instance host
>> the notes for a >directory [say, the one in the current view]. But that's
>> not done yet, not sure >what the current status is....
>>
>> This is right where I'm going with this idea, including adding a search tab
>> (hopefully to do both local and web searches) amongst others.  Do you know
>> who was spearheading this idea?  I'd like a status update from them.  My
>> friends and I talking about doing this would prefer that a _core_ Konqueror
>> developer were to implement the extension of the side bar to insure that is
>> is _sane_ and non-conflicting with the rest of the program, while we work
>> on an assortment of tabs.  Failing this I guess we could do it all, but I
>> wouldn't hold breath over its completion, we won't be doing anything to
>> Konqueror this invasive until we've poured over the source enough to be
>> fairly sure we're not going to break a lot in the process.
>>
>> >Well, just a few ideas to get the idea going, but I don't have time for
>> >developing on Konqueror anymore. But I can provide more precise pointers
>> > into the code if you feel like doing some of this !
>>
>> Thanks we'll probably ask at some point before we're done with this.
>>
>> >David.
>> >
>> >> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>> >> Subject: A question about konqueror
>> >> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:38:24 -0500
>> >> From: Jonathan Lee <jel846s@smsu.edu>
>> >> To: neundorf@kde.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Alex,
>> >>
>> >> I found your name on the Konqueror developers page and wanted to run an
>>
>> idea
>>
>> >> past you.  My name is Jonathan Lee, and I am a secretary for a Linux
>> >> Users Group in Missouri (USA).  Our mission as a LUG is to advocate
>> >> Linux on the desktop to individuals and corporations.  To do this we
>> >> have chosen KDE as our desktop, and have found it met with great
>> >> success.  Konqueror is especially well liked and I want to thank you
>> >> personally for your contributions on this exceptional project.  The
>> >> developers list has you listed as the "List Views" maintainer and
>> >> developer.  Nautilus, recently released by the ill-fated Eazel, included
>> >> a Notes tab and feature in the list view for writing notes about the
>> >> files in a directory or where other misc. data might be found.  This is
>> >> an amazing feature especially amongst those working with people new to
>> >> Linux.  I want to inquire if that could
>>
>> be
>>
>> >>  realistically built into Konqueror.  If so, who would we contact about
>>
>> doing
>>
>> >>  so.  We would be very interested in assisting in the development
>> >> process, from actual code writing, testing, bug reporting, and
>> >> otherwise.  I personally feel this could further KDE and its file
>> >> manager in the eyes of the industry and especially the client side user.
>> >>  Thank you so much for your time, I'm sorry to have written in this
>> >> unsolicited manner.  I look forward to hearing from you, and hope this
>> >> idea can flourish.
>> >>
>> >> Jonathan Lee
>> >>
>> >> -------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> >--
>> >David FAURE, david@mandrakesoft.com, faure@kde.org
>> >http://perso.mandrakesoft.com/~david/, http://www.konqueror.org/
>> >KDE, Making The Future of Computing Available Today
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>Best wishes,
>Carsten Pfeiffer

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