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List:       kfm-devel
Subject:    Re: RFC:UserAgent string in kio_http
From:       Dirk Mueller <mueller () kde ! org>
Date:       2000-07-25 11:36:54
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Alex Zepeda wrote:

> > The same happens for my.yahoo.com, imdb.com and probably a dozen of
> > other sites too. 
> NO IT DOESN'T.  my.yahoo.com works *fine* with w3m, so I for one believe
> that if it's not working with konqy, it's a bug.  


It's simple, Alex. 

w3m means no frames, no Javascript support. 

Konqueror means frames, Javascript support. 

> I haven't tried imdb.com
> yet, but I've noticed that konqy is not handling hotmail properly.  

I know that, we discussed it on IRC. I told you what the problem is, 
and I told you that someone (Peter Kelly) is actually working on it. 

> Honestly, if it's a JS problem, then I would have no problem with us
> emulating the NS/IE JS classes verbatim.  But the user-agent, no.

It IS THE USER-AGENT STRING!

Simply get it. When you browse with the default string my.yahoo.com
you get this: 


Personalized Yahoo! requires cookies

Unfortunately, Personalized Yahoo! currently requires a web browser which
supports--among other things--``cookies'' and tables. Some browsers which
support both cookies and tables are NetscapeNavigator, MicrosoftInternet
Explorer, OperaBrowser, and Lynx. 

This page should hardly ever be seen by any modern (post 1996) browser. 

If you are using a proxy or developing your own crawler/browser and do
support cookies, have your browser send "Mozilla/4.0" as the first part of
the User-Agent header. (This is the now "traditional" User-Agent
identification header for a modern browser, with features equivalent
to Netscape 4.0)



Can you read the last paragraph?

> > Is there any reason why the default user agent string shouldn't
> > be changed to be compatible with all those web sites out there?
> Because it's not the user agent that's a problem.


IT IS. Alex, I know that there are hundreds of other bugs in khtml, 
you don't need to tell me. But I'm fed up getting dozens of bug
reports because of your ignorant opinion about the User-Agent string. 


</flame>


Dirk

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