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Subject: Re: Review Request 115357: Add a shortcut for copying current directory
From: "Frank Reininghaus" <frank78ac () googlemail ! com>
Date: 2014-01-29 17:27:15
Message-ID: 20140129172715.2191.14135 () probe ! kde ! org
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> On Jan. 28, 2014, 3:58 p.m., Frank Reininghaus wrote:
> > First of all, thanks for the patch!
> >
> > To quote my comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323960#c3 :
> >
> > "...this is one of the cases where I wonder if this feature is really useful \
> > enough that it justifies adding code which must be maintained in the future, and \
> > adding another action that makes the shortcuts dialog harder to use (I admit that \
> > it's a big mess not not very useable already)."
>
> Frank Reininghaus wrote:
> Hm, I shouldn't have copied the typo from the comment ("not not" -> "and not"):
>
> "...this is one of the cases where I wonder if this feature is really useful enough \
> that it justifies adding code which must be maintained in the future, and adding \
> another action that makes the shortcuts dialog harder to use (I admit that it's a \
> big mess and not very useable already)."
> Yichao Zhou wrote:
> Well. I really like this feature...
>
> IMHO, adding 2 more actions really will not make shortcuts dialog much harder to \
> use. See, we already have had more than 70 actions there. Add 2 extra options \
> will at most cost us about 3% increase of entropy even if they are totally useless. \
> For the maintenance overhead, this patch only adds 70 lines of code, most of which \
> is the declaration. I think it is unlikely that any part of it will be modified in \
> the future.
> Anyway. I think that's all what I can do. If main developers really do not will \
> to merge it, let's just leave it here.
If you look at the hundreds of wishlist reports at bugs.kde.org, you will find the \
sentences "I really like this feature" and "I don't think that this little change \
will make Dolphin much harder to use" very frequently. And yes, many of these wishes \
could be implemented with less than 100 lines. Every single request may look quite \
harmless, but if a considerable number of them was implemented, their effects on \
usability and code complexity would add up, and then they would not look so harmless \
any more.
Therefore, the question if a feature is really important enough for a considerable \
part of our user base to justify these (potentially bad) side effects must be \
evaluated for every single feature before we can consider to add it.
For the feature which is under discussion here, we have one single user (you) who \
wants the feature, and IMHO, this is by far not enough to justify a non-trivial \
change in the application. Sorry about that.
That being said, I acknowledge that people will always have ideas how Dolphin could \
be modified to better suit their workflows. Probably the best solution for everyone \
would be to enable users to add functionality to Dolphin.
Christoph suggested in your wishlist report to make it possible to assign shortcuts \
to service menu entries. This approach might have some problems though, e.g., that \
there are KAbstractFileItemAction plugins which create (possibly multiple) actions at \
runtime. This would make it impossible to assign any shortcuts to these actions in \
advance. Moreover, there would always be an ambiguity concerning "apply the action to \
the selected items/the current item" and "apply the action to the view URL".
An alternative solution might be a way to assign shortcuts to external applications, \
and optionally pass either the URL which is shown in the view, or the URL of the \
selected items or the current item on the command line. You could then easily \
implement your wish without any further changes in Dolphin by assigning the new \
shortcut to an application that copies its command line argument(s) to the clipboard.
I'm not sure what would be the best way to expose such a functionality to the user \
though, and I'm not even sure if this makes any sense at all. Maybe one could start a \
discussion about this issue on the usability mailing list.
- Frank
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On Jan. 28, 2014, 3:55 p.m., Yichao Zhou wrote:
>
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> This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit:
> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115357/
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>
> (Updated Jan. 28, 2014, 3:55 p.m.)
>
>
> Review request for Dolphin.
>
>
> Bugs: 323960
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323960
>
>
> Repository: kde-baseapps
>
>
> Description
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>
> Add 2 shortcuts as described in
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323960
>
> 1. Copy current URL to Clipboard
> Default Shortcut: Ctrl-Alt-C
>
> 2. Set current Url to the one in Clipboard
> Default Shortcut: Ctrl-Alt-D (Because Ctrl-Alt-V is occupied by Klipper, D could be \
> understood as "dispatch" maybe..
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
> dolphin/src/dolphinmainwindow.h 6b046c2
> dolphin/src/dolphinmainwindow.cpp a4dbb6f
>
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115357/diff/
>
>
> Testing
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>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yichao Zhou
>
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <p style="margin-top: 0;">On January 28th, 2014, 3:58 p.m. UTC, <b>Frank \
Reininghaus</b> wrote:</p> <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px \
solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">First of all, thanks for the patch!
To quote my comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323960#c3 :
"...this is one of the cases where I wonder if this feature is really useful \
enough that it justifies adding code which must be maintained in the future, and \
adding another action that makes the shortcuts dialog harder to use (I admit that \
it's a big mess not not very useable already)."</pre> </blockquote>
<p>On January 28th, 2014, 4:03 p.m. UTC, <b>Frank Reininghaus</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Hm, I shouldn't have \
copied the typo from the comment ("not not" -> "and not"):
"...this is one of the cases where I wonder if this feature is really useful \
enough that it justifies adding code which must be maintained in the future, and \
adding another action that makes the shortcuts dialog harder to use (I admit that \
it's a big mess and not very useable already)."</pre> </blockquote>
<p>On January 28th, 2014, 4:21 p.m. UTC, <b>Yichao Zhou</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Well. I really like \
this feature...
IMHO, adding 2 more actions really will not make shortcuts dialog much harder to use. \
See, we already have had more than 70 actions there. Add 2 extra options will at \
most cost us about 3% increase of entropy even if they are totally useless.
For the maintenance overhead, this patch only adds 70 lines of code, most of which is \
the declaration. I think it is unlikely that any part of it will be modified in the \
future.
Anyway. I think that's all what I can do. If main developers really do not will \
to merge it, let's just leave it here.</pre> </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">If you look at the \
hundreds of wishlist reports at bugs.kde.org, you will find the sentences "I \
really like this feature" and "I don't think that this little change \
will make Dolphin much harder to use" very frequently. And yes, many of these \
wishes could be implemented with less than 100 lines. Every single request may look \
quite harmless, but if a considerable number of them was implemented, their effects \
on usability and code complexity would add up, and then they would not look so \
harmless any more.
Therefore, the question if a feature is really important enough for a considerable \
part of our user base to justify these (potentially bad) side effects must be \
evaluated for every single feature before we can consider to add it.
For the feature which is under discussion here, we have one single user (you) who \
wants the feature, and IMHO, this is by far not enough to justify a non-trivial \
change in the application. Sorry about that.
That being said, I acknowledge that people will always have ideas how Dolphin could \
be modified to better suit their workflows. Probably the best solution for everyone \
would be to enable users to add functionality to Dolphin.
Christoph suggested in your wishlist report to make it possible to assign shortcuts \
to service menu entries. This approach might have some problems though, e.g., that \
there are KAbstractFileItemAction plugins which create (possibly multiple) actions at \
runtime. This would make it impossible to assign any shortcuts to these actions in \
advance. Moreover, there would always be an ambiguity concerning "apply the \
action to the selected items/the current item" and "apply the action to the \
view URL".
An alternative solution might be a way to assign shortcuts to external applications, \
and optionally pass either the URL which is shown in the view, or the URL of the \
selected items or the current item on the command line. You could then easily \
implement your wish without any further changes in Dolphin by assigning the new \
shortcut to an application that copies its command line argument(s) to the clipboard.
I'm not sure what would be the best way to expose such a functionality to the \
user though, and I'm not even sure if this makes any sense at all. Maybe one \
could start a discussion about this issue on the usability mailing list.</pre> <br />
<p>- Frank</p>
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<div>Review request for Dolphin.</div>
<div>By Yichao Zhou.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Jan. 28, 2014, 3:55 p.m.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Bugs: </b>
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323960">323960</a>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
kde-baseapps
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">Add 2 shortcuts as described in \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323960
1. Copy current URL to Clipboard
Default Shortcut: Ctrl-Alt-C
2. Set current Url to the one in Clipboard
Default Shortcut: Ctrl-Alt-D (Because Ctrl-Alt-V is occupied by Klipper, D could be \
understood as "dispatch" maybe..</pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>dolphin/src/dolphinmainwindow.h <span style="color: grey">(6b046c2)</span></li>
<li>dolphin/src/dolphinmainwindow.cpp <span style="color: \
grey">(a4dbb6f)</span></li>
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<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115357/diff/" style="margin-left: \
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