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Subject: Re: Review Request 112661: Use smart/friendly dates and times
From: "Frank Reininghaus" <frank78ac () googlemail ! com>
Date: 2013-09-12 3:35:12
Message-ID: 20130912033512.30468.54326 () vidsolbach ! de
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Thanks for the patch!
Please always include "before/after" screen shots when proposing changes in the GUI. \
I have just attached a screen shot to the wish report: \
http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=82291
I am not an expert for these things, but I can't help thinking that it looks a bit \
weird because of the times which are not aligned with each other. Making the "Date" \
right-aligned won't help because then the weekdays would not be aligned with each \
other.
If anyone has a different opinion, please let us know, but I tend to think that we \
should better not change it. There hasn't been a really big demand for this feature \
either, just a single user reported this wish in 2009, and it got no support \
whatsoever.
Please note that our current list of 509 wish reports is not to be understood as a \
list of things that should be implemented. People report all sorts of random things \
as wishes, and in some cases, like this one, a considerable amount of work is needed \
(namely, implementing the wish and looking at the result) before it becomes obvious \
that the feature is not quite as nice as it looks at first sight.
Unfortunately, I don't have any good ideas how we could improve the quality of our \
wish list. Going through all reports, evaluating them and closing them as WONTFIX if \
applicable would require a vast amount of time, and after some rather unpleasant \
experiences that I had when I tried (IMHO, in a very reasonable and matter-of-fact \
way) to explain to some people why their wishes do not make sense, my motivation to \
invest any of the little time that I can spend on Dolphin on such an endeavor is very \
low.
IMHO, the best (but probably not very popular) solution would be to shut down \
bugs.kde.org for wishes completely. At the moment, it is IMHO not useful at all - \
even if a report has many votes, that has zero meaning because there is no way to \
"down-vote" wishes. This means that there could be lots of users who hate the idea, \
but we don't know about that at all.
The "Brainstorm" section of the KDE forum is IMHO much more suitable for the \
discussion of features - you can add screen shots, you can vote against features, \
and, maybe most importantly, there is a lot more activity there. If an idea is really \
stupid, many users will say it there, which is much better than if a developer \
rejects this idea (some people will always say "developers don't listen" or "you are \
just too lazy" - we've been there before).
Maybe I should start a discussion about this issue at some point, but I guess that my \
ideas will not be very popular because many people still seem to have this crazy idea \
that all developers have plenty of time and need to be bombarded with feature \
requests in order to not get bored, and that a developer "must" provide good reasons \
every time he/she decides to not implement a wish that has been reported (even if \
this must of course utterly fail, considering the low number of people who really \
work on the code and are active at bugs.kde.org, and the huge number of people who \
open wish reports for anything that comes to their mind).
- Frank Reininghaus
On Sept. 11, 2013, 4:50 a.m., Ashwin Rajeev wrote:
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> (Updated Sept. 11, 2013, 4:50 a.m.)
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> Review request for Dolphin.
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> Description
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> Bug 184086 - Use smart/friendly dates and times e.g. "Today 12:00pm", "Yesterday \
> 5.05pm"
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> This addresses bug 184086.
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184086
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> Diffs
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> dolphin/src/kitemviews/kfileitemlistwidget.cpp 688a4da
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> Diff: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/112661/diff/
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> Testing
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> Thanks,
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> Ashwin Rajeev
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
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Please always include "before/after" screen shots when proposing changes in \
the GUI. I have just attached a screen shot to the wish report: \
http://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=82291
I am not an expert for these things, but I can't help thinking that it looks a \
bit weird because of the times which are not aligned with each other. Making the \
"Date" right-aligned won't help because then the weekdays would not be \
aligned with each other.
If anyone has a different opinion, please let us know, but I tend to think that we \
should better not change it. There hasn't been a really big demand for this \
feature either, just a single user reported this wish in 2009, and it got no support \
whatsoever.
Please note that our current list of 509 wish reports is not to be understood as a \
list of things that should be implemented. People report all sorts of random things \
as wishes, and in some cases, like this one, a considerable amount of work is needed \
(namely, implementing the wish and looking at the result) before it becomes obvious \
that the feature is not quite as nice as it looks at first sight.
Unfortunately, I don't have any good ideas how we could improve the quality of \
our wish list. Going through all reports, evaluating them and closing them as WONTFIX \
if applicable would require a vast amount of time, and after some rather unpleasant \
experiences that I had when I tried (IMHO, in a very reasonable and matter-of-fact \
way) to explain to some people why their wishes do not make sense, my motivation to \
invest any of the little time that I can spend on Dolphin on such an endeavor is very \
low.
IMHO, the best (but probably not very popular) solution would be to shut down \
bugs.kde.org for wishes completely. At the moment, it is IMHO not useful at all - \
even if a report has many votes, that has zero meaning because there is no way to \
"down-vote" wishes. This means that there could be lots of users who hate \
the idea, but we don't know about that at all.
The "Brainstorm" section of the KDE forum is IMHO much more suitable for \
the discussion of features - you can add screen shots, you can vote against features, \
and, maybe most importantly, there is a lot more activity there. If an idea is really \
stupid, many users will say it there, which is much better than if a developer \
rejects this idea (some people will always say "developers don't \
listen" or "you are just too lazy" - we've been there before).
Maybe I should start a discussion about this issue at some point, but I guess that my \
ideas will not be very popular because many people still seem to have this crazy idea \
that all developers have plenty of time and need to be bombarded with feature \
requests in order to not get bored, and that a developer "must" provide \
good reasons every time he/she decides to not implement a wish that has been reported \
(even if this must of course utterly fail, considering the low number of people who \
really work on the code and are active at bugs.kde.org, and the huge number of people \
who open wish reports for anything that comes to their mind).</pre> <br />
<p>- Frank</p>
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<p>On September 11th, 2013, 4:50 a.m. UTC, Ashwin Rajeev wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Dolphin.</div>
<div>By Ashwin Rajeev.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Sept. 11, 2013, 4:50 a.m.</i></p>
<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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break-word;">Bug 184086 - Use smart/friendly dates and times e.g. "Today \
12:00pm", "Yesterday 5.05pm"</pre> </td>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Bugs: </b>
<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184086">184086</a>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>dolphin/src/kitemviews/kfileitemlistwidget.cpp <span style="color: \
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<p><a href="http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/112661/diff/" style="margin-left: \
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