----- "PCMan" <pcman.tw@gmail.com> wrote:

> How do you handle menu items which have submenus?

I agree that, for now, actions are just an unordered flat list of
items. IMHO, a menu item which handle a submenu is just a menu:
a label, an icon, and an ordered list of items (actions or menus).
So I think this should be handle by the menu spec.

> Besides, some kind of caching is needed. Otherwise having to read
> many files can hurt performance.

Do you are just afraid of such a possibility, or do you have any
measures ? Disks have cache, filesystem drivers have cache, and the
code ran to just display a context menu may already be considered
as heavy (evaluate the selection, build mimetype-depending options,
and so on...).
We also may suppose that file manager only loads these actions once,
and install a monitoring to reload them when the underlying storage
space is changed.

> > - menu definition is left to the already existing spec [5] ; I find
> >  it very complicated, and it may also need an extension, but it
> >  exists and cannot just be thrown away
>
> This one is apparently too complicated for what we need in file
> managers. The current menu spec almost has nothing in common with
> file manager actions. A new spec specifically designed for this
> work should be better.

Better, I don't know, but surely simpler ;-)
Essentially, the spec says (see [7]) :
a) you define a menu in a .directory file, with a label and an icon
b) you define the order of the items, in a .menu xml file.
This may not even need an extension of the spec, but rather a
simplification to better suit our needs.

We would just have to carefully place our own files to no risk
a collision with the global Applications menu.

But, eventually, yes, I agree that any spec is not complete while
the menus are not described and properly managed. I'll work on
this point.

> >
> > [1] http://www.nautilus-actions.org/?q=node/377
> > [2]
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2006-February/006094.html
> > [3] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2006-June/006612.html
> > [4]
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2009-August/010914.html
> > [5] http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
> > [6] http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[7] http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apcs03.html

Regards
Pierre