From kfm-devel Sun Nov 05 23:11:27 2006 From: OnThe Road Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 23:11:27 +0000 To: kfm-devel Subject: Suggestion for Konquerer developers and delivering "stripped" releases Message-Id: <20061105231128.12083.qmail () web54101 ! mail ! yahoo ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kfm-devel&m=116281023205700 Guys, I don't know what you are thinking, but if you have any hope at all of going mainstream, you need to come up with an alternate strategy for getting debug info. To get Konqueuer to crash, using (XUbuntu 6.06), just go to cnn.com, select the business button. That's it! Gone...every,.. single,.. time... Expecting a "main stream" (i.e. non-geek) user to get source, rebuild with debug options, install, just so they can send a backtrace is completely unrealistic. Wake up!.. For stripped releases, you should incorporate a "log option" that turns on the generation of log files (yes even in a released version, where the debug symbols have been stripped). If you are unreasonable and unwilling to do this, at least make a debug binary build available, that's the least I would expect. BTW, I have been developing C/C++ for over 20 years and I must say that software should never crash. It might not work correctly, but when something just crashes, it indicates poor architecture, framework and especially error handling (or lack there of). Have you ever heard of exception handling? If not, I would suggest that you read up on it (and think about implementing it). I realize that no one is getting paid for the open source stuff, however, that is no excuse for shitty software. If you are going to write software, write it correctly, the 1st time, otherwise when will have time to go back and fix it the second time? If you can't write good software (or at least thoroughly test your own software, if you are inexperienced), you have no businees writing software at all and please stop so that you don't give the rest of us a bad reputation. I must say that I am extremely disappointed with the poor quality of linux applications that have come out in the last year or so.. The OS seems stable enough, but the quality of the applications absolutely sucks. I would suggest to stop trying to add features as fast as possible and fix what's already there. Myself, I wouldn't expose linux to my parents, as I wouldn't want to have to explain to them why everytime they go to cnn, their window crashes. For me right now, paying $170 for WinXP will save me 100's of hours that would be spent supporting a linux install for them. Sorry, but the $170 for Win XP is a BARGAIN, compared to "FREE" Konqueror.. Suck it up, fix your crappy code, if you want anyone to actually use it, and not just experiment with it. So, you are probably thinking, "why doesn't he volunteer to fix this?" well, the reason is: I WORK for a living, I work on this stuff 10-12 hours/day (including weekends). I don't have time to debug other people's shitty software. Fix your own bugs. I generate enough of my own, that I fix. I also spend about 35% of my dev time writing just the unit tests, do you? Good luck, For now, I guess I going to try another distro that uses something other than Konqueror.. (But I have read that FireFox also has it's problems on linux, do I detect a pattern here?).. Take care, and meant what I said about poor coding, if you aren't writing good software, please stop, you are giving the rest of us a bad reputation.... The mutator_accessor... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com)