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Subject: Re: Building a library and executable with 300 C++ files.
From: Victor Vicente de Carvalho <victor.v.carvalho () gmail ! com>
Date: 2010-11-30 0:23:32
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2010/11/29 Michael George Hart <michael.george.hart@gmail.com>
> Hmm...... did I say all the files were in one directory or did I say I have
> 300 plus files used to build executables and libraries? Hmmmm..
>
> We'll that was not the point of bringing any this to your attention. What I
> am trying to bring to your attention is there are a class of softer
> developers who do not care about knowing extraneous stuff like build
> systems. What they care about is writing and testing their software models
> without distractions such as a build system. The prior kdevelop3, vs,
> eclipse, java bean etc don't seem to have the kdevelop4 build system
> distractions; you simply add files build, run, debug and install
>
> The problem is that most of you guys out know each other and probably all
> talk on the same forums so when you talk to each other it's like bouncing
> ideas off yourselves. So when an outsider comes and tells you have created
> something technically superior but on a whole useless to the average
> developers who simply wants to build a software model and install it into
> some default location it would be a good idea to take notes
>
>
Point from a non kdevelop developer:
I clearly disagree with you. Unless the system you develop is a _great_
mess, some level of configuration had to be done under VS or eclipse
or whatever. One of the motivational that made the company I work on to
switch from plain VS solutions to CMake ( and yes, that was prior to knowing
that KDevelop was using it) it's because it was a pita
to synchronize multiple workstations. So, if you came here and do some
severe accusation saying that are plenty of senior developers that never had
int touch with build systems, I ( as everyone here maybe are thinking also )
have to just not take as reality.
Victor
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Syron <mr.syron@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2010/11/29 Michael Hart <michael.george.hart@gmail.com>:
> >> Being a very senior and experienced C++ developer for the most part all
> I
> >> ever cared about was the C++ language and the various APIs I used in
> getting
> >> an application to market. So what may seem appalling to you, I can only
> make
> >> the assumption I was using automake as my build tool.
> >
> > I think it's strange that you're a senior developer and have never
> > dealt with any build system - understanding how build systems work is
> > an important thing, that's what I learned as soon as I wrote my first
> > project with more than one file. And I am also worried about the fact
> > that you have 300 C++ files in _one_ directory, that seems like a big
> > mess.
> > If you spend some time learning a build system (qMake, CMake,
> > whatever), you will soon learn how powerful they are.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > -- Syron
> >
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/29 Michael George Hart <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:michael.george.hart@gmail.com">michael.george.hart@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hmm...... did I say all the files were in one directory or \
did I say I have 300 plus files used to build executables and libraries? Hmmmm..<br> \
<br> We'll that was not the point of bringing any this to your attention. What I \
am trying to bring to your attention is there are a class of softer developers who do \
not care about knowing extraneous stuff like build systems. What they care about is \
writing and testing their software models without distractions such as a build \
system. The prior kdevelop3, vs, eclipse, java bean etc don't seem to have the \
kdevelop4 build system distractions; you simply add files build, run, debug and \
install<br>
<br>
The problem is that most of you guys out know each other and probably all talk on the \
same forums so when you talk to each other it's like bouncing ideas off \
yourselves. So when an outsider comes and tells you have created something \
technically superior but on a whole useless to the average developers who simply \
wants to build a software model and install it into some default location it would be \
a good idea to take notes<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Point from a non kdevelop \
developer:</div><div><br></div><div>I clearly disagree with you. Unless the system \
you develop is a _great_ mess, some level of configuration had to be done under VS or \
eclipse or whatever. One of the motivational that made the company I work on to \
switch from plain VS solutions to CMake ( and yes, that was prior to knowing that \
KDevelop was using it) it's because it was a pita to synchronize multiple \
workstations. So, if you came here and do some severe accusation saying that are \
plenty of senior developers that never had int touch with build systems, I ( as \
everyone here maybe are thinking also ) have to just not take as reality.</div> \
<div><br></div><div> </div><div>Victor</div><div><br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Syron <<a \
href="mailto:mr.syron@googlemail.com">mr.syron@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br>
> 2010/11/29 Michael Hart <<a \
href="mailto:michael.george.hart@gmail.com">michael.george.hart@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> Being a very senior and experienced C++ developer for the most part all \
I<br> >> ever cared about was the C++ language and the various APIs I used in \
getting<br> >> an application to market. So what may seem appalling to you, I \
can only make<br> >> the assumption I was using automake as my build tool.<br>
><br>
> I think it's strange that you're a senior developer and have never<br>
> dealt with any build system - understanding how build systems work is<br>
> an important thing, that's what I learned as soon as I wrote my first<br>
> project with more than one file. And I am also worried about the fact<br>
> that you have 300 C++ files in _one_ directory, that seems like a big<br>
> mess.<br>
> If you spend some time learning a build system (qMake, CMake,<br>
> whatever), you will soon learn how powerful they are.<br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> -- Syron<br>
><br>
> --<br>
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