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Subject: Re: Item "255451" in collection "108" has no RID.
From: Werner Joss <werner () hoernerfranzracing ! de>
Date: 2020-05-20 16:12:42
Message-ID: 3302681.iIbC2pHGDl () cirrus
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Hi Martin,
Am Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2020, 17:27:24 CEST schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> I think Sink has potential. But at the moment it does not even come
> close to feature parity with Akonadi. Does it need all its features?
> Very likely not. However… as I am still using POP3 and also if I switch
> to IMAP would prefer to move older mails to local storage instead of
> having years of mail history sit on my server, it currently is no option
> for me.
Have you ever considered running a local (home) Imap server from which you feed your \
local clients (Desktop, Phones, Tablets) ?
I think that is the best option for those who don't like to have their mails on a \
remote Server. Years ago, I investigated on that and wrote a summary on how to do \
this: https://hoernerfranzracing.de/werner/kde-linux-web/spam[1]
- I know this is a bit outdated nowadays (who does still know what swendeleter is ?) \
but still true and functional for the most parts.
> That said, while I defended Akonadi quite heavily in the past, meanwhile
> I think it may be good to replace it. Why?
>
> This issue and other issues with Akonadi are there for a long time
> *despite* the enormous efforts of developers to fix it up. I remember the
> action plan of Dan to fix it, I have seen the huge efforts of Dan and
> other developers to make it speedier and more reliable. However… while
> there were definitely improvements, it still has huge reliability and
> performance issues, even when I clean out old mails via archivemail. I
> am aware that his last intended step to "Make Indexing Great Again" is
> still to be completed ¹. And Dan if you are reading this: This is in no
> way a criticism about your activities. I know you did the best you could
> and that it is a lot of work and I am very grateful for what you have
> done so far.
I can second that - everyone should appreciate the years of work that have gone into \
akonadi*, nowadays mainly done by Dan Vratil.
And as it is such a giant project, it is no wonder that not all issues can be solved \
by (mostly) a single developer. But I also think, akonadi is too complicated by \
design, and I doubt it would have been made like it is once again with the experience \
of the last years...
> Added to that a user of a mail application shall never ever need to care
> about database administration. Granted MySQL worked very, very well for
> a Zimbra server, but there the admin took care of it. And luckily I did
> not even need to, except for backup. It was just running nicely with
> abysmal performance settings. But it appears to me that Zimbra used the
> database in such an efficient way that it did not even matter, cause it
> was performing just fine with folders of almost 500000 – yes, you read
> that right – mails in them. But of course the web client tricked on
> them: They just showed the first 1000 or so and loaded more as I scrolled
> down. Fine with me however.
>
> That all written, probably time for me to test out Kube myself. I bet it
> is blazingly fast.
Just do it - I can recommend giving it a try ...
Werner
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[1] https://hoernerfranzracing.de/werner/kde-linux-web/spam
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<body><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Hi \
Martin,</p> <p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Am Mittwoch, 20. \
Mai 2020, 17:27:24 CEST schrieb Martin Steigerwald:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> I think Sink \
has potential. But at the moment it does not even come </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> close to \
feature parity with Akonadi. Does it need all its features? </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Very likely \
not. However… as I am still using POP3 and also if I switch </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> to IMAP would \
prefer to move older mails to local storage instead of </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> having years \
of mail history sit on my server, it currently is no option </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> for me.</p> \
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Have \
you ever considered running a local (home) Imap server from which you feed your local \
clients</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">(Desktop, \
Phones, Tablets) ?</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I think that is \
the best option for those who don't like to have their mails on a remote Server.</p> \
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Years ago, I \
investigated on that and wrote a summary on how to do this:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><a \
href="https://hoernerfranzracing.de/werner/kde-linux-web/spam">https://hoernerfranzracing.de/werner/kde-linux-web/spam</a> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">- I know this \
is a bit outdated nowadays (who does still know what swendeleter is ?) but still true \
and functional for the most parts.</p> <p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> That said, \
while I defended Akonadi quite heavily in the past, meanwhile </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> I think it \
may be good to replace it. Why?</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> This issue \
and other issues with Akonadi are there for a long time </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> *despite* the \
enormous efforts of developers to fix it up. I remember the </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> action plan \
of Dan to fix it, I have seen the huge efforts of Dan and </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> other \
developers to make it speedier and more reliable. However… while </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> there were \
definitely improvements, it still has huge reliability and </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> performance \
issues, even when I clean out old mails via archivemail. I </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> am aware that \
his last intended step to "Make Indexing Great Again" is </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> still to be \
completed ¹. And Dan if you are reading this: This is in no </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> way a \
criticism about your activities. I know you did the best you could </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> and that it \
is a lot of work and I am very grateful for what you have </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> done so \
far.</p> <p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I can second that \
- everyone should appreciate the years of work that have gone into akonadi*,</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">nowadays mainly \
done by Dan Vratil.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">And as it is such \
a giant project, it is no wonder that not all issues can be solved by (mostly) a \
single developer.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">But I also think, \
akonadi is too complicated by design, and I doubt it would have been made like it is \
once again</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">with \
the experience of the last years...</p> <p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Added to that \
a user of a mail application shall never ever need to care </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> about \
database administration. Granted MySQL worked very, very well for </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> a Zimbra \
server, but there the admin took care of it. And luckily I did </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> not even need \
to, except for backup. It was just running nicely with </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> abysmal \
performance settings. But it appears to me that Zimbra used the </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> database in \
such an efficient way that it did not even matter, cause it </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> was \
performing just fine with folders of almost 500000 – yes, you read </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> that right \
– mails in them. But of course the web client tricked on </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> them: They \
just showed the first 1000 or so and loaded more as I scrolled </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> down. Fine \
with me however.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> That all \
written, probably time for me to test out Kube myself. I bet it </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> is blazingly \
fast.</p> <p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Just do it - I can \
recommend giving it a try ...</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Werner</p> \
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