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Subject: Re: why is there so much "weird shit" in akonadi/kdepim?
From: Paul Vixie <paul () redbarn ! org>
Date: 2019-12-12 18:22:18
Message-ID: 4d9a3dad-e2d0-483f-b127-0a8981886dce () redbarn ! org
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akonadi is junk, abandonware. we are stuck with it but it has no champion. a bad \
situation. switch to postgres and restart it twice every day and you will be able to \
use kontact. a fine trade.
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On 12 Dec 2019, 14:07, at 14:07, Mathias Homann <mathias.homann@opensuse.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> why is kdepim / akonadi such a high maintenance system?
>
> I mean seriously, sometimes it feels i spend twice as much time keeping
>
> akonadi happy and working than i spend actually reading email or
> working with
> addressbook or calendar. And I'm subscribed to a lot of openSUSE
> mailing
> lists, so that says something.
>
> Here's a choice selection of hoops that akonadi and/or kdepim places in
> front
> of me to hop through:
>
> - sometimes the webdav ressource forgets its configured username,
> password,
> and server url for no reason. when that happens there is NO indication
> that it
> happened, other than calendar entries that I created with some other
> tool,
> e.g. on my phone, do not show up in kontact. So by now I am trained to
> check
> wether the nextcloud connection still works before creating a calendar
> entry.
>
> - i have a "lost+found" folder in my mail, that contains unreadable
> headers of
> about 300 emails from as far as two years back. the folder is
> permanently
> offline, so I can't do anything about it. I also can't find that folder
>
> anywhere on my harddisk.
>
> - sometimes when i move emails from one folder to another the mails do
> get
> moved on the imap server, but in kmail they stay behind in the source
> folder
> and no amount of akonadictl restart and/or restarting kontact convinces
> the
> system that the mails have been moved
>
> - several of the ressources akonadi uses fail to understand the kde
> typical
> "file://" urls for folders. as a result i have a lot of folders under
> ~/.local
> and/or ~/.share and/or ~/.config that start with "file://" as the name.
> Common factor here seems to be that all these are maildir folders used
> by
> akonadi to store stuff, for example knotes notes.
>
> - "empty all trashcans" only works on the trashcan in the account that
> you
> have selected, and then only when you are actually looking at that
> trash
> folder, and then only when you are lucky.
>
> - sending mails leaves copies of the mails in local-folders/outbox even
> though
> the mails are properly put into the sent folder for the account that
> sent
> them.
>
> now the advocatus diaboli raises his head and asks: if other pim-like
> apps
> (thunderbird) can do all this without a "middleware" like akonadi, and
> do it
> right, what is the point of akonadi?
>
> And YES i AM ranting.
>
> Sorry, had to let that out.
>
>
> Cheers
> MH
>
> *Mathias Homann*
> Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org[1]
> telegram: https://telegram.me/lemmy98[2]
> irc: [lemmy] on freenode and ircnet
> obs: lemmy04
> *gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2
> C102
>
> *
>
> --------
> [1] mailto:Mathias.Homann@eregion.de
> [2] https://telegram.me/lemmy98
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On 12 Dec 2019, at 14:07, Mathias Homann <<a \
href="mailto:mathias.homann@opensuse.org" \
target="_blank">mathias.homann@opensuse.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class="blue">Hi all,<br><br>why is kdepim / \
akonadi such a high maintenance system?<br><br>I mean seriously, sometimes it feels i \
spend twice as much time keeping <br>akonadi happy and working than i spend actually \
reading email or working with <br>addressbook or calendar. And I'm subscribed to a \
lot of openSUSE mailing <br>lists, so that says something.<br><br>Here's a choice \
selection of hoops that akonadi and/or kdepim places in front <br>of me to hop \
through:<br><br>- sometimes the webdav ressource forgets its configured username, \
password, <br>and server url for no reason. when that happens there is NO indication \
that it <br>happened, other than calendar entries that I created with some other \
tool, <br>e.g. on my phone, do not show up in kontact. So by now I am trained to \
check <br>wether the nextcloud connection still works before creating a calendar \
entry.<br><br>- i have a "lost+found" folder in my mail, that contains unreadable \
headers of <br>about 300 emails from as far as two years back. the folder is \
permanently <br>offline, so I can't do anything about it. I also can't find that \
folder <br>anywhere on my harddisk.<br><br>- sometimes when i move emails from one \
folder to another the mails do get <br>moved on the imap server, but in kmail they \
stay behind in the source folder <br>and no amount of akonadictl restart and/or \
restarting kontact convinces the <br>system that the mails have been moved<br><br>- \
several of the ressources akonadi uses fail to understand the kde typical \
<br>"file://" urls for folders. as a result i have a lot of folders under ~/.local \
<br>and/or ~/.share and/or ~/.config that start with "file://" as the name.<br>Common \
factor here seems to be that all these are maildir folders used by <br>akonadi to \
store stuff, for example knotes notes.<br><br>- "empty all trashcans" only works on \
the trashcan in the account that you <br>have selected, and then only when you are \
actually looking at that trash <br>folder, and then only when you are lucky.<br><br>- \
sending mails leaves copies of the mails in local-folders/outbox even though <br>the \
mails are properly put into the sent folder for the account that sent \
<br>them.<br><br>now the advocatus diaboli raises his head and asks: if other \
pim-like apps <br>(thunderbird) can do all this without a "middleware" like akonadi, \
and do it <br>right, what is the point of akonadi?<br><br>And YES i AM \
ranting.<br><br>Sorry, had to let that out.<br><br><br>Cheers<br>MH<br><br>*Mathias \
Homann*<br>Mathias.Homann@openSUSE.org[1]<br>telegram: <a \
href="https://telegram.me/lemmy98">https://telegram.me/lemmy98</a>[2]<br>irc: [lemmy] \
on freenode and ircnet<br>obs: lemmy04<br>*gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 \
E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102<br><br>*<br><br>--------<br>[1] \
mailto:Mathias.Homann@eregion.de<br>[2] <a \
href="https://telegram.me/lemmy98">https://telegram.me/lemmy98</a><br><br><br><br></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>
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