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On Friday 12 December 2008 21:47:35 =C3=81kos Szederjei wrote:
> On Friday 12 December 2008 21:29:43 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Friday 12 December 2008 20:21:06 =C3=81kos Szederjei wrote:
> > > On Friday 12 December 2008 19:54:42 Art Alexion wrote:
> > > > On Friday 12 December 2008 10:07:06 am Anne Wilson wrote:
> > > > > I have a weekly appointment, for which the time will change in the
> > > > > New Year. I can't find any way to change forward times only,
> > > > > leaving previous ones unchanged.  If this is true I would call it=
 a
> > > > > bug, and report it. Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > I am going to make a guess here, based solely on my experience with
> > > > Palm Pilots and how they handle that.  If you make a change to a
> > > > recurring appointment in the Palm, it asks you whether you want to
> > > > change (1) all, (2) that instance, or (3) this and all future
> > > > occurrences.  If you use (3) it actually terminates the original
> > > > recurrence and creates a new recurring appointment with the change.=
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> > > > If you choose (2) it creates 3 appointments, the original terminated
> > > > just before the changed one, the changed one, and a new recurring o=
ne
> > > > starting with the next one after the changed one.
> > > >
> > > > To the extent this is not implemented in kontact, you can do it
> > > > manually. Duplicate the appointment.  Edit one copy and terminate it
> > > > at the end of the year.  Edit the other one with a new time and to
> > > > begin at the first of the year.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Kontact does something similar.
> > > In the case of 2 it creates an excetpion (no appointment at that date)
> > > and allows the user to modify that single appointment.
> > > We do not have a case for 3, except to do the same thing manually.=C5=
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> > >
> > > =C3=81kos
> >
> > =C3=81kos, thank you for discussing this with us.  It does help in the
> > understanding of the 'nuts and bolts' of the application :-)
> >
> > Anne
>
> A pleasure...
>
> Actually it is a conceptual question. There is no right answer, because
> both approaches has advantages and drawbacks.
>
> I played around with Kontact's calendar and it seems to me that the
> appointments use the time range as basic reference, while in Lotus I assu=
me
> it is the name.
>
> For example: Dancing lesson - 17:00-18:30 - every Monday.
>
> In Kontact you can change everything and the reoccuring appointments rema=
in
> together (as repeating occurrence), EXCEPT the time 17:00-18:30. As long
> the time 17:00-18:30 there is no problem. Change the time (except having
> exception, which we can set) and the "chain of appointments" break as
> discussed above. This solution is logical, easy to grasp, but cumbersome =
in
> some cases.
>
> Now in Lotus they may have set the name of the appointment as a common
> value. We can change everything in any of the reoccuring appointments, BUT
> the name. So as long we the name Dancig lesson it remains  chained
> together. This is logical and flexible, but very difficult to visualise in
> an easy to use way. Imagine having  Dancing lesson as a repeating event f=
or
> 3 years while the regular time changed three times, had 7 exceptions, etc.
> How do you handle them? Have them listed under the appointment if it opens
> up? Where and how to indicate that that (or the other) appointments are
> exceptions?
>
> Coming back to the question, yes I can imagine a situation where the
> "Lotus- like" version is convenient. Actually I just have such a case...
> But on the long run it will become too detailed and difficult to overview.
>
> Again, my main problem is how to  presentation the information in
> acceptable way. Any ideas?
>
Do you mean how to get this information known and understood?  I would be=20
happy to help with a section in http://userbase.kde.org/KOrganizer, either =
on=20
the main page or on a linked troubleshooting page - maybe Q & A format? =20
explaining why it is problematic and suggesting the best way of dealing wit=
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it, if you would be willing to give it the eye when I've done it, and check=
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that it is explained clearly.

Would that help?

Anne

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