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From: "Fried, Alexander" <a.fried () hm-pensionskasse ! net>
Date: 2005-09-26 10:25:57
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Kmail and blocked messages, again (Derek Broughton)
2. Re: Kmail and blocked messages, again (James White)
3. Re: openComposer with kjscmd returns just false (Ingo Klöcker)
4. Re: openComposer with kjscmd returns just false (Matej Cepl)
5. Re: Kmail and blocked messages, again (Martin Fahrendorf)
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Subject: Re: [kdepim-users] Kmail and blocked messages, again
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:47:32 +0200
Message-ID: <200509251147.32316.derek@pointerstop.ca>
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From: "Derek Broughton" <derek@pointerstop.ca>
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On Saturday 24 September 2005 11:43, mark wrote:
> Trying again... I only got the one response, last time, telling me to
> move a blocked message to drafts, to let the rest go, and then email
> individually to find which ones are blocked.
>
> We know all about that routine. What I'm looking for, without having to
> go read all the code and change it, is a way to reconfigure kmail to
> send a message, period: toss the ball to the server, *NOT* try to be
> "helpful" by not sending it. I want my ISP to bounce the addresses that,
> for some reason, don't work, though they did earlier in the day or the
> day before, and will work in an hour or a day again.
I'm no expert in SMTP, but afaik there is no possible way to do that. KMail
passes mail either to an SMTP server or indirectly via sendmail - and will
always do that if the SMTP server accepts it. If it stays in the outbox
because of an error, that is because the server is refusing it. KMail
doesn't have an option to tell the server to keep trying.
I agree that KMail's handling of this is very bad. It pops up the error
window every 60 seconds (because I want my queue run that often, thank you)
and forces me to deal with it before I can do anything else in kontact.
--
derek
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On September 25, 2005 10:47 am, Derek Broughton wrote:
> On Saturday 24 September 2005 11:43, mark wrote:
> > Trying again... I only got the one response, last time, telling me to
> > move a blocked message to drafts, to let the rest go, and then email
> > individually to find which ones are blocked.
> >
> > We know all about that routine. What I'm looking for, without having to
> > go read all the code and change it, is a way to reconfigure kmail to
> > send a message, period: toss the ball to the server, *NOT* try to be
> > "helpful" by not sending it. I want my ISP to bounce the addresses that,
> > for some reason, don't work, though they did earlier in the day or the
> > day before, and will work in an hour or a day again.
>
> I'm no expert in SMTP, but afaik there is no possible way to do that.
> KMail passes mail either to an SMTP server or indirectly via sendmail - and
> will always do that if the SMTP server accepts it. If it stays in the
> outbox because of an error, that is because the server is refusing it.
> KMail doesn't have an option to tell the server to keep trying.
>
> I agree that KMail's handling of this is very bad. It pops up the error
> window every 60 seconds (because I want my queue run that often, thank you)
> and forces me to deal with it before I can do anything else in kontact.
I don't know much about it either - but if this is the case then maybe you
should place a bug about it. I think that only Microsoft would call this a
"Feature". ;-)
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On Sunday 25 September 2005 05:08, Matej Cepl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am not sure which group/email list I should post this to, so there
> is crossposting involved -- which list is the correct one (I tried
> kjsembed@kde.org, but seems to be really non-responsive)?
>
> Trying to create script for programmatic sending of the current
> message as an attachment (usefull for learning remote spam filter)
> with KJSCmd (see attached). However, I have troubles to get DCOPRef.
> When I try this (kjscmd 0.3 with KDE 3.4.1; lines broken for this
> message only):
>
> var dcop = new DCOPClient(this);
> var ret = dcop.call("kmail","KMailIface",\
> "openComposer(QString,QString,QString,QString,QString,Boolean)",\
> "random@example.com","","","Subject","text",true);
> println(ret);
>
> I get 'false'. Does anybody have any idea, what's wrong with this? Of
> course, similar call in shell with dcop command line utility returns
> DCOPRef.
That's clearly a JavaScript question. As you correctly note this call
returns a DCOPRef. Why this evaluates to false can only be answered by
kjs-savvy people.
Regards,
Ingo
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Subject: Re: [kdepim-users] openComposer with kjscmd returns just false
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:04:42 +0200
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From: "Matej Cepl" <ceplm@seznam.cz>
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Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> On Sunday 25 September 2005 05:08, Matej Cepl wrote:
> That's clearly a JavaScript question. As you correctly note this call
> returns a DCOPRef. Why this evaluates to false can only be answered by
> kjs-savvy people.
Thanks, it is now bug# 113331.
Matej
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under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The
robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at
some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own
good will torment us without end, for they do so with the
approval of their consciences.
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Subject: Re: [kdepim-users] Kmail and blocked messages, again
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:33:46 +0200
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From: "Martin Fahrendorf" <fahrendorf@helix-gmbh.net>
To: <kdepim-users@kde.org>
Am Samstag, 24. September 2005 16:43 schrieb mark:
> Trying again... I only got the one response, last time, telling me to
> move a blocked message to drafts, to let the rest go, and then email
> individually to find which ones are blocked.
>
> We know all about that routine. What I'm looking for, without having
> to go read all the code and change it, is a way to reconfigure kmail
> to send a message, period: toss the ball to the server, *NOT* try to
> be "helpful" by not sending it. I want my ISP to bounce the addresses
> that, for some reason, don't work, though they did earlier in the day
> or the day before, and will work in an hour or a day again.
>
> So - does anyone know of any configuration modification I can make to
> allow this?
Yes, use a local smtp mailserver. kmail handles the mail to this server
and this one handles it out to the server of your isp. If your isp
server does not accept the mail, your local mailserver will generate a
error mail back to you.
>
> mark
Martin
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