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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] Everything comes to an end
From:       Luke Parry <lparry () shodan ! nl>
Date:       2007-06-10 0:16:58
Message-ID: 200706100116.58342.lparry () shodan ! nl
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--Beware this turns into a rant-- An honest opinion about the state of KDE's 
marketing and www --

This to me sparks a turning point with our marketing.

I don't think an excuse that everyone is busy counts for us at all. I fail to 
see any core group of promoters activly working on promoting KDE in a fresh 
unique style. Similarily it is the same on the website stand of things and at 
the moment not to be a moaner but there is hardly any work getting done 
around here. For instance, a few emails back, there was a topic about hardly 
anything picking up about Akademy and with KDE 4 on the horizon there is 
hardly much in preparation - apart from Troy's articles - they are good.

If people are busy, why don't we get new people to fill the gaps in. Like 
Pier-Olivier he had some great ideas to present to the table and pretty much 
the lack of 'creative' contribution has left the projects half finished. Look 
at Spreadkde, ages ago we had asked for help for feedback and what people 
wanted for managing events.

Looking at that, is there much point having Spreadkde, it was deemed from 
creation as a tool - at the moment it has just become a resource and a tool 
for managing events. Originally we envisioned getting the absolute 'kde 
newbies' involved, doing small things, but forced by a community who wanted 
it to be just used by a marketing team, the excitement has dwindled. By the 
poor response, we have lost the motivation to work on it and because it is 
just a 'plain' hardly elaborate system. 

Similarly the lack luster of work applies on the www side of things. Apart 
from Rainer who has recently worked on improving the template, the only thing 
that has really developed has been just maintenance of content. Nothing new 
apart from discover.kde.org, but how far will that get?

I don't think that we should just limit ourselves to such as small community, 
and getting people in who aren't busy to fill the void, who has some 
expertise or not would be useful.

I am personally disappointed of Pier-Olivier leaving, and remembering back 
there was the ideas of fork-nightly meetings. There was only one, and to be 
truthful it wasn't really a great success - it was lengthy and to be honest 
not interesting. Similarily as a 'vibrant' community we should try and 
embrace creative and new ideas, and try to be more supportive of each other.

A recent example is with the artwork - fair enough the Oxygen guys are very 
busy, but how do we expect people to envision a design when they have little 
experience in graphic design and don't have on hand support. It also makes 
the work more difficult for other people to envision (like I just said), but 
it takes a lot more time - then they have to explain that their layout isn't 
brilliant.

There are a lot of outfixing problems, that I have lived with for the past 
year or more - and KDE's marketing is struggling because of it. I don't want 
to bad mouth people, or insult anyone but it is time to realise that 
something needs to change. I don't want ever to start a flame war.

Regards Luke Parry

On Sunday 10 June 2007 00:39:12 jos poortvliet wrote:
> Op Sunday 10 June 2007, schreef Pier-Olivier Thibault:
> > Well Hi everyone!
> >
> > This is a mail to say goodbye to everyone of you, it was /fun/ trying to
> > get SpreadKDE and discover.kde.org up and running but after all these
> > months fighting to get my idea across I finally decided to give up...
> >
> > Bye!
> >
> > Pier-Olivier
>
> Ehm, why? That's sad, I didn't see them coming... You where working on the
> website, right? I'm sorry about this, it shouldn't go like that. I don't
> think ppl are not supportive or interested, they might just be busy, right?
>
> Well, either way, I hope we'll see you around, and thanks for the work. At
> least there's a discussion going on about a slogan, thanks to you.
>
> take care,
>
> Jos


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