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Date: 2023-12-06 17:54:52
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On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 11:27 AM, Yurii Kolesnykov<yurikoles@gmail.com> wrote: \
Personally I vote for migration of mailing lists to Discuss. It has a modern WebUI \
with 0Auth for those who is unfamiliar with mailing lists, so it will alove to engage \
more new people + mailing list mode who prefer them.
> 27 квіт. 2023 р. о 22:42 Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss <joseph@kde.org> \
> написав(ла):
> Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists.
>
> To discuss, please answer to kde-community@kde.org.
>
> tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing lists at KDE. \
> What do we want to do with them?
> This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general discussion \
> about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new thread or wait until I \
> address that, likely in the very near future.
> _Inactive Mailing Lists_
>
> For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in KDE's \
> internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing lists publicly \
> listed at:
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/
>
> Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some of which were \
> never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon further inspection, but \
> these seem like a good place to start.
> By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past 2-3 years at \
> least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago. For several of these \
> lists, there are long gaps in activity, often with no community responses to the \
> most recent posts.
> The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email.
>
> Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same as a list \
> that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular communication for that \
> community to be active. If you see your community's mailing list here and think it \
> is a mistake, please let me know! My apologies in advance if this is the case.
> Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project is inactive. \
> It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used channel of communication. \
> There are many other channels for community discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, \
> etc.).
> _Some Questions To The KDE Community_
>
> * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists?
>
> * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see anything at the \
> Community Wiki. [1]
> * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for posterity? I \
> see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing list ARChives" [3].
> * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to somewhere with \
> generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking Discuss)? I can imagine \
> being in a more active online space could increase general participation for \
> otherwise low activity groups.
> _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_
>
> I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing lists. Here are \
> just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones:
> * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's communication \
> is.
> * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list is no longer \
> in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an inactive one.
> * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for futher \
> contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered.
> * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their overall \
> activity.
> * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's server \
> infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services.
> Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group by pointing \
> out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific list. If there is a \
> reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open, then let's keep it open! I \
> myself like mailing lists for various forms of communication (announcements, \
> long-form discussion, information which I want to archive locally for future \
> reference, etc.).
> If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a challenge to \
> go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I tried my best not to.
> I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions!
>
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> [1] https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists
> [2] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel
> [3] https://marc.info/
>
> # Overview
>
> Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following:
>
> * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed
> * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists
> * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists
>
> # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists]
>
> ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list yet, so the \
> archives are currently empty.")
> * Calligra-author: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author
> * Cantor-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs
> * Gcompris-espanol: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol
> * Kde-dashboard: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard
> * kde-games-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs
> * Kde-i18n-it: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it
> * Kde-l10n-my: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my
> * Kde-l10n-sw: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw
> * KDE-Look: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look
> * Kde-partnership: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership
> * Kdepim-builds: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds
> * neon-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs
>
> ## Officially Closed [1 list]
>
> * kde-nonlinux: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux
>
> # Inactive General Lists [27 lists]
>
> ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists]
>
> * kde-artists: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists
> * Heaptrack: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack
> * CuteHMI: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi
> * Khtml-cvs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs
> * Cki-attendees: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees
>
> ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists]
>
> * Snorenotify: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify
> * KXStitch: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch
>
> ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists]
>
> * Choquk-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel
> * Kde-embedded: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded
> * Kde-buildsystem: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem
> * WikiToLearn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn
> * Marble-commits: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits
> * Ksecretservice-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel
> * KDE-Telepathy: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy
> * Kde-speech: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech
> * Kexi: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi
> * Enterprise: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise
> * Marble: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble
> * kde-women: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women
> * kde-usa: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa
> * kopete-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel
> * Kde-scm-interest: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest
> * Kexi-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel
>
> ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists]
>
> * SymbolEditor: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor
> * Gcompris-portugues: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues
> * kdelibs-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs
> * QmlWeb: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb
>
> # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists]
>
> ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists]
>
> * Kde-i18n-eu: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu
> * Kde-edu-pt_br: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br
>
> ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists]
>
> * Kde-i18n-uk: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk
> * KDE-india: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india
> * Kde-l10n-in: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in
> * Kde-latam: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam
> * Kde-l10n-kn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn
>
> ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists]
>
> * Kde-el: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el
> * kde-mexico: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico
> * Kde-l10n-si: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si
>
> ## Infrequently Active [1 list]
>
> * KDE-Italia: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia
>
> --
> Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss
> KDE Internal Communications & KDE Eco Community Manager
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> Matrix: @joseph:kde.org
>
> Generally available Monday-Thursday from 10-16h CET/CEST. Outside of these times it \
> may take a little longer for me to respond.
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<div style="font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; color:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 \
at 11:27 AM, Yurii Kolesnykov</div><div><yurikoles@gmail.com> wrote:</div> \
</div> <div style="padding: 10px 0 0 20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid \
#6D00F6;"> <div dir="ltr">Personally I vote for migration of mailing lists to \
Discuss. It has a modern WebUI with 0Auth for those who is unfamiliar with mailing \
lists, so it will alove to engage more new people + mailing list mode who prefer \
them.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> 27 квіт. 2023 р. \
о 22:42 Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss <<a ymailto="mailto:joseph@kde.org" \
href="mailto:joseph@kde.org">joseph@kde.org</a>> \
написав(ла):<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> To discuss, please answer to <a \
ymailto="mailto:kde-community@kde.org." \
href="mailto:kde-community@kde.org.">kde-community@kde.org.</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> tl;dr There are several inactive or \
unused lists of the 181 mailing lists at KDE. What do we want to do with \
them?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> This is a post about \
inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general discussion about (active) mailing \
lists at KDE, please start a new thread or wait until I address that, likely in the \
very near future.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
_Inactive Mailing Lists_<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in KDE's internal \
communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing lists publicly listed \
at:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Here I see 51 mailing lists which might \
be considered inactive, some of which were never used at all. There may be more to \
add to this upon further inspection, but these seem like a good place to \
start.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> By inactive I mean \
there has been very low or no activity in the past 2-3 years at least, and for most \
lists the last post was 4+ years ago. For several of these lists, there are long gaps \
in activity, often with no community responses to the most recent \
posts.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> The 51 mailing \
lists are included at the end of this email.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is \
*not* the same as a list that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular \
communication for that community to be active. If you see your community's mailing \
list here and think it is a mistake, please let me know! My apologies in advance if \
this is the case.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project is inactive. \
It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used channel of communication. \
There are many other channels for community discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, \
etc.).<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> _Some Questions To \
The KDE Community_<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * What \
do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists?<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I \
didn't see anything at the Community Wiki. [1]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive \
mailing lists for posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the \
"Mailing list ARChives" [3].<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to \
somewhere with generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking Discuss)? I can \
imagine being in a more active online space could increase general participation for \
otherwise low activity groups.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_<br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> I am sure there are reasons both for and \
against closing mailing lists. Here are just some reasons I can think of to close \
inactive ones:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * The more \
communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's communication \
is.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * It may not be \
obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list is no longer in use, resulting \
in wasted energy signing up for an inactive one.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce \
motivation for futher contributions from members, especially when posts go \
unanswered.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * Moving some \
communities to more lively platforms may increase their overall \
activity.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * There could be \
a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's server infrastructure by removing or \
deactivating unused services.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group \
by pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific list. If there \
is a reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open, then let's keep it open! I \
myself like mailing lists for various forms of communication (announcements, \
long-form discussion, information which I want to archive locally for future \
reference, etc.).<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> If I \
made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a challenge to go \
through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I tried my best not \
to.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> I look forward to \
reading your thoughts and suggestions!<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> Cheers,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Joseph<br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> [1] <a \
href="https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists" \
target="_blank">https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> [2] <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> [3] <a href="https://marc.info/" \
target="_blank">https://marc.info/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> # Overview<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following:<br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * 12 are lists that have never been used \
and 1 was already closed<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * 27 are potentially-inactive \
general lists<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * 11 are potentially-inactive language or \
country-specific lists<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> # \
Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list \
yet, so the archives are currently empty.")<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * Calligra-author: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Cantor-bugs: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Gcompris-espanol: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-dashboard: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * kde-games-bugs: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-i18n-it: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-l10n-my: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-l10n-sw: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * KDE-Look: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-partnership: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kdepim-builds: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * neon-bugs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ## Officially Closed [1 \
list]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * kde-nonlinux: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> # Inactive General Lists [27 \
lists]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ## Currently \
Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> \
<br></div><div dir="ltr">> * kde-artists: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Heaptrack: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * CuteHMI: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Khtml-cvs: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Cki-attendees: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous \
Activity [2 lists]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * \
Snorenotify: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * KXStitch: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ## Currently Inactive But Previously \
Active [16 lists]<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> * \
Choquk-devel: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-embedded: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-buildsystem: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * WikiToLearn: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Marble-commits: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Ksecretservice-devel: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * KDE-Telepathy: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-speech: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kexi: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Enterprise: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Marble: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * kde-women: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * kde-usa: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * kopete-devel: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr">> * Kde-scm-interest: <a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest" \
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