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List:       kde-windows
Subject:    Re: Rant: So you want help?
From:       Alf Gaida <info () g-com ! eu>
Date:       2010-11-05 21:10:12
Message-ID: 201011052210.12795.info () g-com ! eu
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Am Freitag 05 November 2010, 21:53:42 schrieb Patrick Spendrin:
> Am 05.11.2010 20:47, schrieb Alf Gaida:
> > Am Freitag 05 November 2010, 20:13:49 schrieb Christian Ehrlicher:
> >> Am 05.11.2010 20:04, schrieb Ralf Habacker:
> >>>   Am 5.11.2010 16:27, schrieb Thomas Friedrichsmeier:
> >>>>> The compiler discussion is old already, and it won't be solved any
> >>>>> time soon. So let's try to focus on the other problems first.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yeah, I know, I'm late to the party. But BTW, if I'm not mistaken this
> >>>> is another example of a discussion that should have been had on the
> >>>> list, instead of behind the scenes.
> >>> 
> >>> strong words  -
> >>> http://dot.kde.org/2007/09/18/windows-developers-meet-berlin was the
> >>> place where this has been discussed - i did not see you there.
> >> 
> >> That's true but in theory he's correct.
> >> 
> >> What me and others hinders to participate on kde and especially
> >> kde/windows is the lack of discussion on mailing lists. All is done in
> >> irc which isn't bad and makes things for the particapting people fast
> >> but creates a big problem for people who don't have the time for irc
> >> because of their real life. A perfect example was when kdab decided they
> >> have to do something on kde/windows - suddenly there was a move but
> >> others (especially me) were left behind. The end result is well known.
> >> 
> >> Imo this isn't a kde specific problem at all and I've no idea how to
> >> bring the different positions in sync...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Christian
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Kde-windows mailing list
> >> Kde-windows@kde.org
> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-windows
> > 
> > It's not a solution, but instead of irc and mailing-lists informations
> > can be shared with simple things like websites and for actual
> > infomations in blogs as well. Maybe it sound a little bit old fashioned,
> > but it works. The newest
> 
> > informations for newbies like me are on the website - Latest News:
> It doesn't work. Why do you think the informations are outdated? Do you
> know that some of us do have a blog? I am not sure that our problem is
> the media.
> Our problem is that a lot of people do have interests that are very
> specific to them, thats why there is nearly no common ground. Think of
> three people doing KDE on WinCE, three others trying to port their own
> applications (and only that application), others again only want to have
> some working KDE apps for themselves.
> 
> Another thing that we already talked about at the sprint is: is
> kde-windows@kde.org a user mailing list?
> a developer mailing list? Who reads it? What do we want to discuss here?
> If there is a review request or a bug report, who is supposed to answer it?
> I am already very glad that I gathered most people that are working on
> KDE on Win* in the IRC channel. This way there is at least one way to
> communicate.
> 
> About our users:
> Somebody in KDE once said: 'We don't need users!' - there is some truth
> in it, since only a smallest amount of my time I spent on KDE is payed
> for, I normally work for myself here. So I don't want to please users
> simply because they are users (they are no customers after all). This
> might sound harsh, but it explains it a bit better why my first goal is
> not providing binaries for the users.
> This doesn't mean I will not work on binaries, but this is no
> automatism, and if I like to try out KDE on different compilers, nobody
> should say anything about that.
> 
> > 14th February 2010	 KDE SC 4.4.0 for Windows available
> > 8th December 2009	 KDE 4.3.4 for Windows available
> > 11th August 2009	 KDE 4.3.0 for Windows available
> 
> That doesn't mean dead. (But sounds a bit like that.) Also I normally
> forgot about that page.
> 
> > And then have a look at techbase.kde.org/projects/KDE_on_Windows revision
> > History.  For an Outsider this Project looks pretty dead  - you have to
> > join the mailing list to see that the project is still alive.
> 
> That is the overview page, it will not change a lot.
> 
> > But would you join the list of a dead project? Most potential helpers
> > don't. _______________________________________________
> > Kde-windows mailing list
> > Kde-windows@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-windows
> 
> regards,
> Patrick
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I can understand your pov. And yes, there are different interests on different 
useres. In my case i'm interested in contact and kmail in the first. in second 
it would be nice to have parts from KDE availble in Windows. I dont need a 
full KDE in first place. To be a user would sound nice to me: others have done 
the work. This seams not to work - if i want to have an actual KDE on Windows 
i've to participate. 
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