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Subject: Re: Principles on what KDE for Windows includes?
From: Percy_Camilo_Triveño_Aucahuasi <percy.camilo.ta () gmail ! com>
Date: 2010-10-11 8:22:36
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Hi Ralf
>Do you think about something like the single package installer approach
>like available at http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/setup/stable/
Yes, in some way, that is a cool approach, the ui is very plain and the user
only have to wait. It could be better: the ui can have a simple progress
control and a gif embedded (but is only my opinion ;)) ... but yep that is
the idea.
However, the fact of provide individual installers for every app/module
could be still confusing (even if is the same versión: stable, testing,
4.5,3, ...) Also, this kills the concept of the windows installer: have a
common place to install (update) KDE software on windows.
Perhaps the best way to join both approach would be let the user to chooses
the KDE-version installer (kde-stable.exe, kde-testing.exe ...) instead of
the module/app-version one.The ui of the installer will omit the idea of
choose the version (and even omit the idea of searching and replaced by
choosing) and will have a UI very similar to your packages plus some
searching (or choosing) system, this is a mockup to show the concept:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_DsEzMwoRlb4/TLLF_ibv6LI/AAAAAAAAAcI/0kEn49CkN5U/kdewininstaller.jpg
Regards,
Percy
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Ralf Habacker <ralf.habacker@freenet.de>wrote:
> Am 11.10.2010 01:00, schrieb Percy Camilo Triveño Aucahuasi:
> > Hi Elias,
> >
> > >>1) Krita for historical reasons is a part of KOffice. This might be
> > >>the reason why Krita cannot be used successfully as a search
> > >>term in the KDE 4 Windows Installer.
> > >>2) The end user does not know which of the KDE packages are
> > >>stable and which are not. As Andrius wrote that KOffice
> > >>packages are not stable so I searched the unstable releases.
> > >>(But as Percy now confirmed - this is
> > >>not a good search strategy as the wanted package is not there.)
> > >Perhaps extending search to 'lookup by application name' could solve
> > the issue.
> >
> > Is true, also I think the main issue here isn't the searching of the
> > package name, but the availability of the packgages in self (or, as
> > Gilles Caulier said: the maintenability of huge packages)
> >
> > From my personal point of view: is hard to create *KDE* packages on
> > windows, it should be easy, but even betwen xp, vista and 7 exists
> > some factors that make it dificult (eg. permissions) Emerge is a great
> > tool and aims to achieve
> > to make more easy the life *for developers*, but I think is time to
> > improve the windows user experience too.
> >
> > The windows installer paradigm is confusing users and even some get
> > scary of using it, however the paradigm in self isn't bad, is just
> > matters of enhance communication of what is aviable in each release
> > and what is not. Also, some improvements in the UI would be welcome:
> > maybe change the wizard style to something like a welcome dashboard or
> > simply (as Jaroslaw suggested) improve searching ... and hidding the
> > progress of installing => why the users have to see all the list of
> > files during the instalation proccess? ;)
> Do you think about something like the single package installer approach
> like available at http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/setup/stable/
>
> Regards
> Ralf
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Hi Ralf<br><br>>Do you think about something like the single package installer \
approach<br> >like available at <a \
href="http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/setup/stable/" \
target="_blank">http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/setup/stable/</a><br><br>Yes, \
in some way, that is a cool approach, the ui is very plain and the user only have to \
wait. It could be better: the ui can have a simple progress control and a gif \
embedded (but is only my opinion ;)) ... but yep that is the idea.<br> <br>However, \
the fact of provide individual installers for every app/module could be still \
confusing (even if is the same versión: stable, testing, 4.5,3, ...) Also, this kills \
the concept of the windows installer: have a common place to install (update) KDE \
software on windows. <br> <br>Perhaps the best way to join both approach would be let \
the user to chooses the KDE-version installer (kde-stable.exe, kde-testing.exe ...) \
instead of the module/app-version one.The ui of the installer will omit the idea of \
choose the version (and even omit the idea of searching and replaced by choosing) and \
will have a UI very similar to your packages plus some searching (or choosing) \
system, this is a mockup to show the concept:<br> <br><a \
href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_DsEzMwoRlb4/TLLF_ibv6LI/AAAAAAAAAcI/0kEn49CkN5U/kdewininst \
aller.jpg">http://lh4.ggpht.com/_DsEzMwoRlb4/TLLF_ibv6LI/AAAAAAAAAcI/0kEn49CkN5U/kdewininstaller.jpg</a><br><br>Regards,<br>Percy<br>
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct \
11, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Ralf Habacker <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:ralf.habacker@freenet.de">ralf.habacker@freenet.de</a>></span> \
wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Am 11.10.2010 01:00, \
schrieb Percy Camilo Triveño Aucahuasi:<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5">> Hi \
Elias,<br> ><br>
> >>1) Krita for historical reasons is a part of KOffice. This might be<br>
> >>the reason why Krita cannot be used successfully as a search<br>
> >>term in the KDE 4 Windows Installer.<br>
> >>2) The end user does not know which of the KDE packages are<br>
> >>stable and which are not. As Andrius wrote that KOffice<br>
> >>packages are not stable so I searched the unstable releases.<br>
> >>(But as Percy now confirmed - this is<br>
> >>not a good search strategy as the wanted package is not there.)<br>
> >Perhaps extending search to 'lookup by application name' could \
solve<br> > the issue.<br>
><br>
> Is true, also I think the main issue here isn't the searching of the<br>
> package name, but the availability of the packgages in self (or, as<br>
> Gilles Caulier said: the maintenability of huge packages)<br>
><br>
> From my personal point of view: is hard to create *KDE* packages on<br>
> windows, it should be easy, but even betwen xp, vista and 7 exists<br>
> some factors that make it dificult (eg. permissions) Emerge is a great<br>
> tool and aims to achieve<br>
> to make more easy the life *for developers*, but I think is time to<br>
> improve the windows user experience too.<br>
><br>
> The windows installer paradigm is confusing users and even some get<br>
> scary of using it, however the paradigm in self isn't bad, is just<br>
> matters of enhance communication of what is aviable in each release<br>
> and what is not. Also, some improvements in the UI would be welcome:<br>
> maybe change the wizard style to something like a welcome dashboard or<br>
> simply (as Jaroslaw suggested) improve searching ... and hidding the<br>
> progress of installing => why the users have to see all the list of<br>
> files during the instalation proccess? ;)<br>
</div></div>Do you think about something like the single package installer \
approach<br> like available at <a \
href="http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/setup/stable/" \
target="_blank">http://www.winkde.org/pub/kde/ports/win32/setup/stable/</a><br> <br>
Regards<br>
<font color="#888888">Ralf<br>
</font><div><div></div><div \
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