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Subject: Re: kde installer in kdewin32 svn
From: "mark cox" <markcox () email ! com>
Date: 2007-01-09 6:43:03
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it seems that document talks mostly about downloading and dependency
management. installing things in the correct places. Presenting a \
consistent UI , setting the correct registry settings, dealing with user \
install directories are all messy things. Either you can use the pascal \
script or use a C++ dll, and call it from inno setup. either way you are \
saving yourself a lot of code.
mark
On 1/9/07, Ralf Habacker <ralf.habacker@freenet.de> wrote:
>
> Peter Kümmel schrieb:
> > mark cox wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure why you are re-inventing the wheel. inno setup is mature
> > > installation software with many features and you can extend it to add
> those
> > > missing features. In my experience, installers on windows always turn
> > > out to
> > > be much more complicated than anticipated and because inno setup is
> mature
> > > it has already encountered and solved those problems.
> > > website: www.innosetup.com
> > >
> > > mark
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/8/07, Ralf Habacker <ralf.habacker@freenet.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > there is an updated spec of the installer available on
> > > >
> > > >
> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/kdewin32/installer/doc/readme.txt?rev=620682&view=auto
>
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions too or sombody want's to help coding beside \
> > > > Christian Ehrlicher, who had contributed already some patches ?
> > > >
> > > > Ralf
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > I use inno setup here:
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=29557&package_id=57553&release_id=425927
>
> > (the .exe). It has a pascal like syntax, and when
> > you wanna distribute all files within a directory and wanna call
> > some .bat files it is very convenient.
> > It has a build-in 7zip compression.
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't it be the simplest to just ship all files in one package.
> > When someone doesn't want some specific libraries he should
> > do it like a expert and use svn checkouts.
> >
> >
> Do you have read
> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/kdewin32/installer/doc/readme.txt
> or verified kdelibs/share/apps/cmake/modules how much dependencies there
> are. The latter shows currently 47 find... entries, not included the
> additional tools Do you like to build all such packages by hand to be
> able to compile KDE applications. Additional only downloading all these
> files by hand require much time.
>
> The kde-installer supports you in the manner: 'okay, let's see which
> packages are required and where can I download it with one click'
>
> Your refered setup.exe size is 134 KB, a zipped kdelibs with debug
> informations is about 138 MB, unpackaged 616 MB. Do you like to
> recompile your installer exe every time a little patch is required ?
> Sure, you can create additional installers which contains updates, but
> this ends up like the windows update service, where you have many
> installed patches in your software panel.
>
> Then the next full update is out and you have to deinstall all patches
> by hand, which will create many confusions. I have used inno setup for
> KDE on cygwin and switched later to the cygwin installer in the long run
> because of problems with such updates.
>
> In the opposite using an online installer like the kde-installer is,
> you can create a new patch directory on the kde mirrors, upload some
> zipped files, add little dependency informations to the installer main
> config files located on this mirror and users are able to use this
> patches immediatly. This belongs also to snapshots.
>
> Inno Setup uses pascal and it might be not easy for non pascal users to
> learn all the required stuff. It is not very easy if you like to make
> more complicated things. Isn't it be more natural to use qt for a kde
> installer.
>
> In the long run there will be required to have standalone package like
> Jaroslav had done for kexi, but who will maintain this in this state of
> the project. Are we all not happy to use available resources as much as
> possible ?
>
> In my opinion the strategy is 'let's look where a binary packages for a
> required library or tool is and use it as available resource before
> recompiling it by myself.
>
> There may be packages, which are unusable for kde like the missing
> symbol problem with libxml2 on the gnuwin32 site for which Christian had
> compiled a replacement in his win32libs distribution.
>
> How do you be able to handle this with inno setup ? The kde-installer
> could assist you in this area too by adding a rule in the main server
> based config file to exclude the libxml library from gnuwin32 site.
> Instead it would use the related packages from the win32libs website.
>
> Ralf
>
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> > _______________________________________________
> > Kde-windows mailing list
> > Kde-windows@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-windows
> >
>
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it seems that document talks mostly about downloading and dependency \
management. installing things in the correct places. Presenting a \
consistent UI , setting the correct registry settings, dealing with user \
install directories are all messy things. Either you can use the pascal \
script or use a C++ dll, and call it from inno setup. either way you are \
saving yourself a lot of code. <br><br>mark<br><br><br><div><span \
class="gmail_quote">On 1/9/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ralf \
Habacker</b> <<a href="mailto:ralf.habacker@freenet.de">ralf.habacker@freenet.de</a>> \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Peter \
Kümmel schrieb:<br>> mark cox wrote:<br>><br>>> I'm not \
sure why you are re-inventing the wheel. inno setup is mature<br>>> \
installation software with many features and you can extend it to add those \
<br>>> missing features. In my experience, installers on windows \
always turn<br>>> out to<br>>> be much more complicated than \
anticipated and because inno setup is mature<br>>> it has already \
encountered and solved those problems. <br>>> website: <a \
href="http://www.innosetup.com">www.innosetup.com</a><br>>><br>>> \
mark<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 1/8/07, Ralf Habacker <<a \
href="mailto:ralf.habacker@freenet.de">ralf.habacker@freenet.de </a>> \
wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Hi all,<br>>>><br>>>> \
there is an updated spec of the installer available \
on<br>>>><br>>>> <a \
href="http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/kdewin32/installer/doc/readme.txt?rev=620682&view=auto">
http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/kdewin32/installer/doc/readme.txt?rev=620682&view=auto</a><br>>>><br>>>> \
.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Any suggestions too or \
sombody want's to help coding beside Christian \
<br>>>> Ehrlicher, who had contributed already some patches \
?<br>>>><br>>>> \
Ralf<br>>>><br>>>><br>><br>> I use inno setup \
here:<br>> <a href="http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=29557&package_id=57553&release_id=425927">
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=29557&package_id=57553&release_id=425927</a><br>> \
(the .exe). It has a pascal like syntax, and when<br>> you wanna \
distribute all files within a directory and wanna call <br>> some .bat \
files it is very convenient.<br>> It has a build-in 7zip \
compression.<br>><br>><br>> Wouldn't it be the simplest to \
just ship all files in one package.<br>> When someone doesn't want \
some specific libraries he should <br>> do it like a expert and use svn \
checkouts.<br>><br>><br>Do you have read<br><a \
href="http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/kdewin32/installer/doc/readme.txt">http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/kdewin32/installer/doc/readme.txt
</a><br>or verified kdelibs/share/apps/cmake/modules how much dependencies \
there<br>are. The latter shows currently 47 find... entries, not included \
the<br>additional tools Do you like to build all such packages \
by hand to be <br>able to compile KDE applications. Additional only \
downloading all these<br>files by hand require much time.<br><br>The \
kde-installer supports you in the manner: 'okay, let's see \
which<br>packages are required and where can I download it with one \
click' <br><br>Your refered setup.exe size is 134 KB, a zipped kdelibs \
with debug<br>informations is about 138 MB, unpackaged 616 MB. Do you like \
to<br>recompile your installer exe every time a little patch is required \
?<br>Sure, you can create additional installers which contains updates, but \
<br>this ends up like the windows update service, where you have \
many<br>installed patches in your software panel.<br><br>Then the next full \
update is out and you have to deinstall all patches<br>by hand, which will \
create many confusions. I have used inno setup for <br>KDE on cygwin and \
switched later to the cygwin installer in the long run<br>because of \
problems with such updates.<br><br>In the opposite using an online \
installer like the kde-installer is,<br>you can create a new patch \
directory on the kde mirrors, upload some <br>zipped files, add little \
dependency informations to the installer main<br>config files located on \
this mirror and users are able to use this<br>patches immediatly. This \
belongs also to snapshots.<br><br>Inno Setup uses pascal and it might be \
not easy for non pascal users to <br>learn all the required stuff. It is \
not very easy if you like to make<br>more complicated things. Isn't it \
be more natural to use qt for a kde<br>installer.<br><br>In the long run \
there will be required to have standalone package like <br>Jaroslav had \
done for kexi, but who will maintain this in this state of<br>the project. \
Are we all not happy to use available resources as much as<br>possible \
?<br><br>In my opinion the strategy is 'let's look where a binary \
packages for a <br>required library or tool is and use it as available \
resource before<br>recompiling it by myself.<br><br>There may be packages, \
which are unusable for kde like the missing<br>symbol problem with libxml2 \
on the gnuwin32 site for which Christian had <br>compiled a replacement in \
his win32libs distribution.<br><br>How do you be able to handle this with \
inno setup ? The kde-installer<br>could assist you in this area \
too by adding a rule in the main server<br>based config file to exclude the \
libxml library from gnuwin32 site. <br>Instead it would use the related \
packages from the win32libs \
website.<br><br>Ralf<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>> \
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href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-windows">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-windows</a><br></blockquote>
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