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List:       kde-user
Subject:    Re: kde2, enlightenment, gnome...???
From:       christopher j bottaro <cjb () cs ! utexas ! edu>
Date:       2000-12-12 10:28:53
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ok, i know what an x server is, thats easy...

i'm still a bit confused though.  there are desktops >and< window managers?  
is that right?  so you start the x server and then start a desktop, then a 
window manager?

whats the difference between a desktop and a windows manager?

is kde2 a desktop or windows manager?  what is gnome?

i was in kde2 and from a console i started gnome-session.  this leads me to 
believe that gnome isn't a (windows manager)??

is it possible to have multiple desktops running and only one window manager? 
 or is it vice versa?  cuz fvwm tells me i have another windows manager if i 
have kde2 running already.

according to you post, i deduct that kde2 and gnome are desktops, where as 
enlightement is a windows manager. correct?  fvwm is a windows manager, so 
does that mean i can run kde2 as my desktop and fvwm as my windows manager?

i read a post where a user said if he runs enlightenment on top of kde2, he'd 
lose a lot of functionality of kde2.  what is up with that?

also, i run gnapster under kde2, but its plain and boring looking, not at all 
what it looks like on its homepage.  changing gnapser's themes do 
>nothing<...does this have something to do with the window manager?

thanks again for the info...i'm sure i'll get the gist of this desktop/window 
manager thing with time...and help from people on this list...=)

On Tuesday 12 December 2000 03:14, Jean-Raymond.Chauviere wrote:
> Just some basic notions:
>
> X is the graphics system, in fact mainly a protocol and library
> A window manager is an X application in charge to manage window (!) and
> usually
> a menu in the root screen
> You have a lot of window managers from the ancestors uwm and twm, olwm,
> olvwm,
> mwm, afterstep, fvwm, I surely forgot someones.
>
> A desktop is a sum of tools written with the same library.
> Under unix, you can find openwin (old !), cde (commercial), kde, gnome
> and xfce
>
> Every desktop has its priviledged wm (sawfish/gnome, dtwm/cde, etc...)
>
> If your window manager is compliant to a desktop, you can use it instead
> of the default one.
> windowmaker and enlightenment are, AFAIK, compliant with kde and gnome.
> But I never try to change the kde window manager.
> With wmaker I already launch the gnome panel AND the kde panel. This
> work perfectly and I have the both worlds.
>
> And just to get you more confused, you have to ways to launch X
> 1) at boot time, this means you log in in graphic mode. Usually, you
> execute
> command in your ~/.xsession
>
> 2) from the command line, X isn't launch at boot time. You log in in
> text mode, and from the command line you call the command startx. It
> executes
> command in ~/.xinitrc.
>
> sample .xinitrc or .xsession:
> # -----------
> panel &
> enlightenment
> # ---------- or
> startkde
> # or
> gnome-session
>
> This is not exhaustive, there are many other window manager under X.
> This is not like under win or mac where you have only one wm.
> For nostalgics, fvwm95 is a wm that mimics guess what and there are many
> themes that gives a mac
> appearence to window maker or enlightenment.
>
> Hope this helps
> JRC
>
> christopher j bottaro wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > i'm kinda new to linux and am having trouble (coming from win32)
> > understanding this whole x server/desktop manager/window manager thing. 
> > i kinda understand an xserver is, but when it comes to kde2 vs
> > gnome/enlightenment...i'm kinda lost.
> >
> > right now i run KDE2 and i like it a lot.  but i've seen screenshots of
> > gnome apps running with enlightment and they are extremely visually
> > pleasing.  is kde2 capable of doing this?
> >
> > what is kde2?  what is gnome?  what is enlightenment?
> >
> > why does enlightenment run on top of gnome?  can it run on top of kde2? 
> > if not, why not, and why does it run on top of gnome?
> >
> > why is it possible to run gnome apps from kde2?  can gnome run kde2 apps?
> >
> > why is it that i can get gnome apps running in kde2, but they don't look
> > half as good as if they were running in gnome/enlightenment?
> >
> > i think i read a post on a newsgroup once abou running enlightenment in
> > kde2. the poster said that if he does this, he'd lose a lot of
> > functionality of kde2, but it would look a lot better.  what does this
> > mean?
> >
> > i really need some light shed on this subject.  oh how i wish things were
> > simple like back in the win32 days...heh, just kidding...;)
> >
> > thank you,
> > christopher
> >
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