Hello, I don't know if it is the right list to post this but here it goes... I've read the Gnome Usability Test which I found rather interesting. I think that some remarks that have been made about Gnome could also apply to KDE. For example, Sun engineers have asked users to find a file and users had difficulty discovering the find utility buried in the menus. You could say the same thing for KDE (I'm running KDE 2.1.1 installed on a LM 8.0). But I don't think the answer is to put the find utility on the top-level of the K-menu. In my opinion, KDE has mimicked there too much MsWindows. I'm working in humanities where most of my collegues are totally hopeless with computers and I've discovered that most of them have difficulty distinguishing between data files and applications. The windows-start-here-button is difficult for them to understand because it mixes 3 different things 1) launching programs 2) operations with files (for example the list of the last opened files) 3) changing the settings of your computer. A desktop where these 3 things are clearly separated is, I think, easier to understand. I would suggest for the KDE desktop 4 buttons : 1) for launching applications and exiting the desktop 2) for managing my files [Kfind, Konqui, lists of bookmarks and files] 3) for controlling the desktop [Kpersonalizer, Kcontrol, Mandrake Control Center] 4) for finding help [Khelp center, Ktips, Mandrake Help] You may answer that it is already more or less like that already. But computers-newbies think that if they find an icon in two different places it means that is is two different programs. Therefore, to be able to launch kcontrol by the kmenu (first level) and by the kicker is, in my opinion, bad UI because it is confusing. Separating clearly between an application-centered way to enter the KDE desktop and a document-centered way is a good thing. When a hopeless computer-user wants to open a wordprocessor file, he will rather browse his directory until he founds the file and double-click on it, than fire a wordprocessor and use the file-open dialog. KDE should accomodate for these kind of users if we want to be more mainstream. Comments.... Charles _______________________________________________ kde-usability mailing list kde-usability@master.kde.org http://master.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability