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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: stop kate from creating ~ backups by default
From:       Anne Wilson <cannewilson () googlemail ! com>
Date:       2009-06-21 20:52:58
Message-ID: 200906212153.04378.cannewilson () googlemail ! com
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On Sunday 21 June 2009 21:05:15 Maciej Pilichowski wrote:
> On Sunday 21 June 2009 21:44:56 Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Lotus used the /Backups/WordPro etc. system.
>
> Thank you for the info.
>
> > I'm trying to imagine
> > what completely non-tech users would see or want to see.
>
> ? The aim is to see nothing (I mean only "real" files). And it is
> benefit for both groups of users.
>
No, I was thinking of when they have done an Oops and need to recover 
something.

> > If all
> > backup files were in one directory, would they be able to
> > differentiate the fille-types?
>
> What for?
>
Aide memoire - when you are in a panic you often can't remember details, maybe 
not the exact fille-name.  I'm not saying there should be this differentiation 
- just offering it or consideration.

> > Would they remember the exact name
> > they are looking for?
>
> But backups would be internal thing for KDE, user should not even know
> (unless she/he would like to) that there is some backup mechanism.
> KDE should be simply more reliable -- and it is all user needs to
> know.
>
Yes, understood.  I was thinking of recovery when I wrote that message, not 
thinking of the user giving it normal consideration.

> > Would it be better to have
> > /Backups/Application/?
>
> I think not -- consider such case:
> * you run gwenview
> * you change the contrast
> * you saved the result
> * one week later, you run krita
> * you think the previous contrast was better
> * undo, oops, where did the previous state go?
>
> One central backup system is data-focused -- it answers the
> question "what happened with the file", tool is not important, you
> can undo the revert to previous state no matter tool you use (well,
> you have to use editor, because readers does not change anything by
> definition).
>
I think you are right.  We have much the same situation in being able to 
restore from Trash.

Anne
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