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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Ctrl-Q vs. Ctrl-W vs. Alt-F4
From:       Matthew Woehlke <mw_triad () users ! sourceforge ! net>
Date:       2009-01-12 17:42:30
Message-ID: gkfve6$2co$1 () ger ! gmane ! org
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Markus wrote:
> Closing an app is no harm, because no data is lost (if there is a chance of 
> losing data, the "Save document?" dialog pops up) and nobody runs apps from 
> slow floppy drives.
> 
> Why do you think that closing a Dolphin window with Ctrl-W is more harmful 
> than closing a tab with Ctrl-W?

I use Ctrl-W because I am done with whatever I am working on and want to 
work on something else. I don't want to have to restart the application; 
that takes time and effort... and keep in mind that a significant 
portion of that time is spent in the "effort" phase, i.e. digging the 
app out of the menu or waiting on krunner, typing the name, making sure 
you have the right app, etc., and then startup time on top of that. 
Closing the current document is a LOT faster.

If I wanted to close the window I would close the window. If I wanted to 
start something new WITHOUT closing what I was working on, I would just 
do File->New / Ctrl-N. What do I do when neither of those is what I want?

>> There is nothing broken with ctrl+q or similar,
> It is and I showed it in my initial mail.
> How would you quit Amarok with a shortcut when, by your logic, Ctrl-Q should 
> only close windows, not quit apps?

Does Amarok have more than one (main) window? I don't think we can apply 
the same logic to apps where closing the window doesn't actually close 
the window. (Ok, "close" is arguable here, but as far as I am concerned, 
apps with exactly one main window - i.e. amarok, juk, kopete, etc. - 
that don't quit but go hide in the systray when you "close" the window 
only count as "hiding" the window. Especially as that may literally be 
what they're doing, code-wise.)

In this case, Quit should obviously actually quit the application. 
However this is really an abuse of close window not doing what it 
"should" rather than an exception to how Quit works, IMO.

Actually, this could fall into the same "strongly session-based" 
category as described in my previous mail.

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Matthew
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