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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Some thoughts on toolbars in KDE
From:       James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj () acm ! org>
Date:       2007-10-09 4:17:58
Message-ID: 470B00F6.70009 () acm ! org
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Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On 10/7/07, James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj@acm.org> wrote:
>> Hans Chen wrote:
>>> Dear KDE usability list,
>>>
>>> I would like to share some of my ideas of how to improve the toolbars in
>>> KDE - I hope it's OK if I post them here.
>>> I've chosen to include everything in a PDF document, which I've attached
>>> to this e-mail.
>>>
>>> If you have any comments, I would be very happy to hear them. I'm
>>> subscribed to the list, so just reply here.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to hearing your responses.
>> You state that the number of toolbars is fixed by the developer.  With
>> apps that are fully compliant with the XML *.rc files, this is not the
>> case.  A user can add an additional tool bar but it is necessary to
>> manually edit the *.rc file.
>>
>> Another issue is toolbars which the developer has designed as merged
>> toolbars.  I don't really like this.  Example is image viewers where I
>> much prefer a separate toolbar.  Withe KDE-3, the only way to convert
>> from a merged toolbar to a separate tool bar is to edit the *.rc file.
>> Would it be possible to add this to the GUI?
>>
>> Another issue is toolbar widgets such as the one for magnification for
>> an image viewer.  Using this in a vertical toolbar causes a problem
>> since the toolbar is made wide enough to include the wide widget.  A
>> possible solution is have the widget replaced by a standard size icon
>> and the large window only show when you mouse over the icon.
>>
>> In this same context.  I do not like having the only way to access:
>>
>>         Fit to Window
>>         Fit to Height
>>         Fit to Width
>>
>> using the zoom magnification window.  It is less convenient, but also
>> there is the issue of using a vertical toolbar to have these icons.
>>
>> Problem: Zoom In & Zoom Out icon placement.  In the USA (perhaps other
>> countries are different) More with a slider is either up or right and
>> less is either down or left.  If you want these icons that way, you have
>> to reconfigure the toolbar when you change from horizontal to vertical.
> 
> Personally, I'm a big fan of the zoom widgets like now in Koffice and
> Gwenview used... Wouldn't that make sense? Maybe such a widget needs
> to find it's way into KDElibs for 4.1 or something...

Perhaps you could post a screen shot.

This illustrates the problem:

http://home.earthlink.net/~tyrerj/kde/toolbar1.png

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JRT
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