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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Enhancement: disable reason
From:       Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <gustavo () gsbarbieri ! sytes ! net>
Date:       2005-07-06 20:00:37
Message-ID: 200507061700.37441.gustavo () gsbarbieri ! sytes ! net
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On Wednesday 06 July 2005 15:28, Thomas Zander wrote:
> On Wednesday 6 July 2005 14:35, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > > In most cases the layout of the dialog should provide enough
> > > information. e.g. Indented under or behind the activating checkbox
> > > etc. I don't think that for the very few cases where aditional
> > > infomation is necessary would check for a tooltip. Remember, there is
> > > no such information for most disabled widgets.
> > >
> > > Imho we need some allways visible representation to show that there
> > > is more.
> >
> > Some widgets are impossible to do this, like menu items. Open a complex
> > software (kwrite, OOo) and you'll see this problem.
>
> I still think the answer Michael gave counts there.  Correct ordering and
> good visual feedback at other positions will help the user.
> For example to place KWords frame options in a Frame menu, and if there is
> no frame selected then all items in the menu are unavailable.  This seems
> discoverable enough IMO.
>
> But even more important, developers that don't have the UI-expertise, or,
> more often, time to order or name items so its more usable sure don't
> have the time or know-how to create good messages for the structure you
> propose.
> In short; the technology might be great but it moves the work to actually
> solve the issue back to the people that missed the opportunity to do so
> before.  What makes you think they will do it now?
>
>
> Proper usability review of applications, their dialogs and, very import,
> their menu systems will cause a lot of the cases to go away.  Perhaps
> enough of them to make this a non-issue.

Since it's not invasive (it just show if you have a statusbar or leave it 
until tool tip appers) it doesn't hurt to have this. I think people that 
already do great designs could benefit from this. In other words, I don't 
just want to help bad designers, but the good too.

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