From kde-usability  Wed Mar 30 20:51:59 2005
From: Hasso Tepper <hasso () kde ! org>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:51:59 +0000
To: kde-usability
Subject: Re: Show/Hide vs Checkbox
Message-Id: <200503302352.00078.hasso () kde ! org>
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Luciano Montanaro wrote:
> El Miércoles 30 Marzo 2005 02:18, Tim Hutt escribió:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just a quick note to say that using menu items that change from (for
> > example) 'Show Offline Users' to 'Hide Offline Users' is a poor design.
> >
> > Changing the text requires that you actually *read* the menu each and
> > every time you use it. This is obviously bad. Most people navigate
> > gui's primarily by position. This is why they top left menu is always
> > 'File' (or similar) and contains 'New', 'Open', 'Save' in that order.
> > And 'Exit'/'Close' at the bottom. It helps to know where things are.
> >
> > Now obviously the menu items don't change place, but it is much much
> > easier to find a constant text and see if the checkbox next to it is
> > checked than it is to read the first word (and Show and Hide look quite
> > similar).
>
> I agree. The effect is worse with the italian localization, since "show"
> and "hide" expand to strings of different length.

Only different length? Consider yourself as lucky ;). "Show" and "Hide" need 
completely different forms of words after them in Estonian.

Search -> Otsing, Show Search -> Näita otsingut, Hide Search -> Peida otsing

Or this offline users example:

Show Offline Users -> Näita võrgust väljas kasutajaid
Hide Offline Users -> Peida võrgust väljas kasutajad

So, if "Search" string comes from .desktop file (views etc.), there is no 
even technical workaround. Yes, all these appear grammatically incorrect in 
Estonian at the moment.

And one thought about current situation. Whatever is used, only one of them 
should be used. For example Juk has both variants in the same menu - this 
looks really really bad.  


-- 
Hasso Tepper
KDE Estonian Team
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