From kde-usability  Fri Dec 17 17:10:25 2004
From: Esben Mose Hansen <kde () mosehansen ! dk>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:10:25 +0000
To: kde-usability
Subject: Re: Sliders and spinboxes.
Message-Id: <200412171809.14499.kde () mosehansen ! dk>
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On Friday 17 December 2004 15:15, Charles de Miramon wrote:

> > I agree that actions are a power user feature --- and a feature I was
> > much inclined to remove. However, the feedback I receive indicate massive
> > usage, so maybe I was wrong. I don't want to base such a decision a mere
> > supposition --- I want measurements, or at least real world experience.
>
> The only way to 'remove' a feature in KDE is to split the application
> between a vanilla version and a super application with all the toppings.
> Nobody will object that you suppress actions in Klipper if you can answer
> 'you need them, then install SuperKlipper in kdeaddons'.
> In refactoring the Klipper code, you should try, I think, to move in a
> solution with a common core and several shells more or less complex.

That's is where I am heading. But please remember, I started with a program 
that was essentially 4 files: actions, preferences, clipboard polling and 
everything else. I will need some iterations for that to turn into a plugin 
based architecture :) For the next release, I have factored out the GUI code 
and the history code from the clipboard maintainance code. Now I want to 
stabilize this :)

>
> > > The general goal is to diminish the complexity of Kicker and Kicker's
> > > applets.
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear that :-( I would rather increase the power and
> > usability of the applets.
>
> Over configurability does not mean more power and more usability.

I agree, but we might disagree on "overconfigurability" :o) E.g, the current 
Klipper configuration has about the right number of options if we ignore the 
action tab, but the layout and the usability of that config is horrendous. 

>
> Our actual user base is mostly power users. But, we would like to build a
> desktop where people with little or no interest in computers feel
> confortable without alienating our actual user base.

A honourable and elusive goal, indeed! I myself would prefer directing users 
that want simple configuration (with the corresponding lack of easy-to-reach 
options) to Gnome, which does such an excellent job in this area. I really do 
not want KDE to become Gnome2... currently they supplement each other so 
nicely, IMHO.

>
> Klipper is important because it is installed as a basis on Kicker in the
> KDE distributed by most distributions. New users will discover it very
> quickly.

Yes, it is very important --- also because it provides functionality 
(clipboard history) which all but the most hesitant user will appreciate.

>
> Your plan for Kicker looks great. I think everybody will be willing to help
> you to create the best usability our common brain can fathom

Thanks :-) I really appreciates your help --- while I'm somewhat used to 
usability issues, I'm not much of a UI designer.

-- 
regards. Esben
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