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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Konq. Location->Quit Menu Misnomer
From:       "Jamethiel Knorth" <jamethknorth () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2004-07-08 17:07:19
Message-ID: BAY7-F104nWQbVuyZtW0000210e () hotmail ! com
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>From: Leo Savernik <l.savernik@aon.at>
>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:40:25 +0200
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>Am Mittwoch 07 Juli 2004 05:53 schrieb Jamethiel Knorth:
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> > However, I have doubts as to why that was put in the style guide in the
> > first place. Quit means close the application in most other instances, 
>so
>[...]
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>The windows *is* the application, from a nontechnical point of view.

In many cases, this just isn't true. Consider The GIMP. It has one head 
window and many other windows. It is appropriate that choosing Quit closes 
all of them. KMail can spawn extra windows, such as for writing an email, 
after starting up. Are they separate programs?

>Additionally, you cannot tell whether two konqueror windows are actually
>shared by the same process, or are running in different processes. 
>Therefore,
>making Quit quit the process would lead to totally unpredictable behaviour.

That is a slightly different issue. And, if you actually read through my 
email, you will see that I do not want to just have Quit changed to quiting 
the process. Quoting myself: "Possibly, try using 'Close Tab', 'Close 
Window', and 'Close Program'." You see, Quit in its current state should be 
changed to 'Close Window', as that is what it does. For a program such as 
The GIMP, it should say 'Close Program', and possibly the same for KMail and 
similar programs which spawn what are clearly child-windows.

>Proposing a changing of wording sound like an action that should be done
>because it can be done. This is no good cause.

The problem being complained about is that the current wording is ambiguous 
or even false. Also, since most other major projects use it in the other 
sense, it causes significant inconsistency on the desktop. The wording 
should be changed so that it is accurate.

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