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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: kdemultimedia (setCheckedState)
From:       "Jamethiel Knorth" <jamethknorth () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2004-05-19 1:50:45
Message-ID: BAY7-F10cOYMzQSupaW00028f1f () hotmail ! com
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>From: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <gustavo@gsbarbieri.sytes.net>
>Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:19:58 -0300
>
>Em Tuesday 18 May 2004 10:53, Jamethiel Knorth escreveu:
> > >From: Scott Wheeler <wheeler@kde.org>
> > >Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:17:18 +0200
> > >
> > >To be honest -- I'd like to see this stuff ripped back out.  I didn't 
>see
> > > a discussion of it anywhere and I think it's a regression in terms of
> > > usability.
> > >
> > >If I quickly glance at at toggle action I can distinguish:
> > >
> > >[ ] Show Search Bar
> > >[x] Show Search Bar
> > >
> > >very quickly.  It clearly visually indicates that it is a field with 
>two
> > >states and what its present state is.  However with the options:
> > >
> > >o Show Search Bar
> > >o Hide Search Bar
> > >
> > >I actually have to read the label, think about the current state, etc.
> > >It's
> > >not visually distinguishable from a (often irreversible) action.
> > >
> > >I also think this is bad for the show/hide toolbar widgets but didn't 
>get
> > >around to complaining until it's apparently made clear that this is 
>meant
> > >to
> > >be a pervasive change.
> >
> > I think the show/hide naming is often bad for power users, who want
> > immediate information, but is usually much clearer for newer users. I 
>would
> > have to say that having the term be descriptive according to what it 
>will
> > do is better.
>
>I don't think so... You never know if the menu say the state or the action.
>I'm always confused if clicking there will show or hide.

That is why good usability always says the action that will be done. The 
checked/unchecked thing can be very unclear in the same way. It says 'show' 
and is checked. Does that mean it IS shown? It's just as unclear. The point 
it, you can look at something and it says what it will do, which is a good 
thing.

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