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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Get rid of horizonal scrollbar in all windows
From:       Ari Kaihola <ari.kaihola () nic ! fi>
Date:       2004-03-30 16:05:35
Message-ID: 40699ACF.7030903 () nic ! fi
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Christoph Niemann wrote:

>On Monday 29 March 2004 11:27, Ari Kaihola wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>I do not know if this should be sent to xfree or some other
>>organization, that is dealing with windowing... well, here it is anyway:
>>
>>I got this idea, when looking once again my pictures at high resolution.
>>How much more convenient it would be, if one didn't have to change the
>>"grip" of the mouse cursor from vertical scroll-bar to horizontal and
>>back again. Think about it: you just grab the vertical scroller and keep
>>your grip on it - if the object (www-page, picture, spreadsheet, file
>>manager,...whatever) would be wider than your window horizontally, there
>>would emerge small horizontal arrows in vertical scroller from which you
>>know, the object does not fit horizontally in the window, and without
>>losing your grip on the vertical scroller you could scroll BOTH up/down
>>as well as left/right (as long as you keep your left mouse button
>>pressed). This would render horizontal scrollbar useless and would thus
>>save some screen space, too.
>>
>>If the object would fit vertically (but not horizontally) in the window,
>>then no vertical scroller would exist to take hold of ... hmmm.. maybe
>>this would be wiser to implement as a small square in a fixed spot on
>>every window (header-line perhaps? in the bottom-right corner?) - you
>>just grab the square and don't let loose until you have navigated to the
>>right place in your object. In this model both scroll-bars would become
>>unnecessary! The scroller-square could be implemented as a cursor (after
>>you have grabbed it) showing 4 arrows and switching each of them off,
>>when you have reached the corresponding edge of your object.
>>
>>Feel free to take this idea further...
>>    
>>
>
>If you have the "activation spot" for this function anywhere on the edge of 
>the window (such as on the scroll bar), you cannot scroll in at least one 
>direction. Normally the scroll bars are on the right hand side. Thus, 
>activating the "dragscroll" on the vertical toolbar does not allow scrolling 
>to right without leaving the window (which is akward). If you are working 
>with maximized windows (or just windows placed on the right hand side of the 
>desktop for that matter) you cannot scroll to the right at all. 
>
>In short, even though, I find the feature immensely useful, there is need for 
>another activation method. You need to be able to activate it while having 
>the mouse pointer somewhere in the middle of the view you want to scroll. 
>Only there you have all desired degrees of freedom. 
>  
>
See my response to Jamethiel Knorth.

>I do not have a clear opinion about the best way to activate such a feature 
>but shortcuts (such as [Ctrl] + mouse movement) or mousegestures come to 
>mind...
>
>Greetings,
>Christoph
>
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