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Subject:    Re: Trash, Delete, an
From:       David Hugh-Jones <hughjonesd () yahoo ! co ! uk>
Date:       2003-06-28 23:10:22
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interesting. but if you don't have to worry about harddrive space, would
you need ever to hit delete? I mean, what do you gain from deleting
something rather than trashing it?

Strangely enough, I do exactly the same thing myself - I think "hmm,
will I need this later?" But actually I think that behaviour is just
something born from the fact that the RMB menu has these two options.
With one, and if I knew my trash would warn me when it got too big, I
would probably just hit delete and "not need to think about it". Which,
as we all know along with Whitehead, is how civilization progresses :-)

Dave

On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 15:38, Jan Schumacher wrote:
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> On Saturday 28 June 2003 13:31, David Hugh-Jones wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 09:28, Luis Pedro Coelho wrote:
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> > > Please, don't do this. Sometimes I want to delete, sometimes I want to
> > > move to trash.s
> >
> > Can I ask what the underlying need is?
> 
> Harddrive space is usually not the reason I delete something rather than 
> moving it -- I empty the trash when I need space. It depends more on how sure 
> I am, that I will not regret the decision. I delete duplicates and large 
> files that I am sure have become obsolete.
> 
> > For remote files, you don't always want to move them into your trash -
> > e.g. a 1G file over a slow connection. _Mostly_ I would think people
> > want to delete remote files. Partly for connection reasons, partly
> > because a file in your trash that was once "on some host somewhere" has
> > probably lost all context that would explain where to put it back.
> 
> Personally I would like to decide on a case by case basis myself. If I am sure 
> that a file can go then delete it, else move it. The first time I used fish 
> to connect to another KDE box, I was surprised it moved the file to 
> localhost's trash rather than remote. Maybe ioslaves where that makes sense 
> could check for a remote $HOME/Desktop/Trash?
> 
> > [...]
> 
> > > Overall, I must say I am against it. My suggestion: get rid of "Shred."
> > > It's a broken concept and very few people understand what it means. And
> > > those will probably understand it doesn't give you any reassurances.
> > > It's a bad idea.
> 
> Why is shred so bad? It depends on the filesystem I guess, but in many 
> circumstances it should work, shouldn't it?
> 
> Regards
> Jan
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