From kde-usability Thu May 22 18:11:06 2003 From: "Aaron J. Seigo" Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:11:06 +0000 To: kde-usability Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?TOM X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-usability&m=105362757220395 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 21 May 2003 04:09, Roger Larsson wrote: > Debate List: > * task entry format > Application name has to be a part. > For support reasons if for no other reason. Think international support. > Try to describe or deduce what menu item to hit without the app. name > (especially since the icon depends on the current theme) "Click on the Email entry". the task name becomes a surrogate for the app name. does the typical user really need to know that the application's name is KMail in the menu? after all, once they launch it, it says "KMail" in the window title. (right now, the menu just follows the menu settings from the control panel. so this is configurable. but we're talking about defaults, right? =) > * Run A Command... > Why is it needed on the head level anyway? a) because it's a common action b) people are used to it being there > Alt-F2 is much quicker. sure, if you know it's there. many don't. > My suggestion is to place it on a sub menu. which one? > Then ask yourself - do we want text entry in a sub menu? (I think the answer > is NO...) not if it's a submenu, no... > Thinks to add to the Debate List > * Keyboard shortcut should be visible in some way. well, we just need to define shortcuts really =) > * Can every task be described with only one short line? hopefully.... > Join those two with: > * Can we use tooltips for menu items? Example: > > "Run A Command... Alt-F2 > Starts any executable program, can also open an URL. > Please try with http://www.kde.org or gg:KDE" so if you hover over a menu item long enough it pops up a tooltip? i wonder how annoying that would get ... or if anyone would hover long enough to see them if they didn't know they were there... hmmmmm... how about a more radical idea: what if when you moused over an entry and it got focus it would expand and a comment would appear right IN the menu? there would be some reasonable timeout to avoid this behaviour triggering when the user was simply moving from one part of the menu to another.... > (read from the application.desktop? > the shortcut information needs to be generated, not done in window menu - > = try=20 > to redefine Alt-F4, or to define another one) calls to KStdAccel would likely suffice. > Anyway - when we know what information to present for the user, > the format of the taskgroup might have become an easy pick. can you elaborate on this? > > i REALLY want this to be a highly polished piece for 3.2, so the more > > constructive criticism (and, goddess willing, patches ;) i can get the > > better... > > Since you ask for it, from the file TASKGROUPS: > "[Task2] > Name=3DVNC > DesktopFile=3DInternet/keystone.desktop" > > VNC a task? It sounds more like a disease :-) that's a test group, not a group for production use. if you notice, one of the items on the TODO is to create actual taskgroups =) since this involves nothing more than a text editor and some imagination, this would be a great task for non-coders to try their hand at.... - -- Aaron J. Seigo GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE: The 'K' is for 'kick ass' http://www.kde.org http://promo.kde.org/3.1/feature_guide.php -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+zRK61rcusafx20MRAuWRAJ9fyi4tN7lk0bDMTVDTQUlYYTJTdwCdEuHj a14LgVU1+ked6vfyoSroI9g= =P8iA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ kde-usability mailing list kde-usability@mail.kde.org http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability