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Subject: RE: AW: Four points to make Linux the ultimate (win) killerapp
From: Poletti Don <Don.Poletti () comverse ! com>
Date: 2003-04-07 12:38:02
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Well we shouldn't rely on a commercial venture to supply something
essential.
I think point 4 would be taken card of by point 1.
I guess the problem here is the old packaging program. Which has so far been
left to
the distros and I think I can safely say its a mess. I did down load the aol
IM client, the real one
from aol and it had an installer. It even asked me the if I wanted menu
entries added for KDE and/or
Gnome. It was very nice and polished.
There are many times when a problem is consider not in the scope of KDE. And
frankly to the end
user doesn't care, its a real problem. So the question is, is there any
thing that KDE could do that
would help the problem and not create yet another way to install software?
Would it be possible to create an installation library/program that would
understand all the major
distro's packaging systems. The development team would use this to create a
single file
that is downloaded and would install on RH, Mandrake, debian etc... by
creating the rpm or
apt file whatever and do all the needed work. of updated menus and placing
shortcuts on the
desktop etc. Uninstalling would still work through normal method although we
could have a KDE
app that wraps the uninstall process as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Black [mailto:blackfarm@mountain.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:02 PM
To: For discussion and fixing of usability problems in KDE through the KDE
Usability Project
Subject: Re: AW: Four points to make Linux the ultimate (win) killerapp
You should take a look at www.lindows.com <http://www.lindows.com> KDE the
easy way :)
netstacy wrote:
Hi Folks,
pleas excuse my english, its not the best.
I have a four-point suggestion on how to make Linux the ultimate
Win-killerapp. I based my suggestions on "What makes me Stop using Windows,
and start using Linux?" (Definately, if i imagine the use of these following
points on my knoppix, it would be incredible)
So here we go, Please give me thirty seconds.
I. Setup routine
I am missing an Installer. When I downloaded an application to my KDE
Desktop, I want to click on a Setup-Icon, wich does the rest for me. End :)
II. Linux Web update
Why getupdate? Why Serverlists and Console-Typing? I like the
windowsupdate.com site. Please make me one for Linux.
III. Automatic Wine
When I downloaded a Windows app on my KDE Desktop and try to start it, this
should happen:
A graphical Window, that first say: "You are trying to start a Windows
application under a Linux OS. This may occure problems. try anyway Y/N?"
Then Wine should make the rest for me automatically in the background, or in
a new window.
IV. oh yes - i like shortcuts and Program Folder entries for every new
installed program.
Thank you,
xtraa
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<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well
we shouldn't rely on a commercial venture to supply something
essential.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think point 4 would be taken card of by point 1. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
guess the problem here is the old packaging program. Which has so far been left
to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>the
distros and I think I can safely say its a mess. I did down load the aol IM
client, the real one</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>from
aol and </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>it had an installer. It even asked me the if I wanted menu
entries added for KDE and/or</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Gnome.
It was very nice and polished. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There
are many times when a problem is consider not in the scope of KDE. And frankly
to the end</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>user
doesn't care, its a real problem. So the question is, is there any thing that
KDE could do that</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>would
help the problem and not create yet another way to install
software?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Would
it be possible to create an installation library/program that would understand
all the major</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>distro's packaging systems. The development team would use this to create
a single file</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>that
is downloaded and would install on RH, Mandrake, debian etc... by creating the
rpm or</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>apt
file whatever and do all the needed work. of updated menus and placing shortcuts
on the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>desktop etc. Uninstalling would still work through normal method although
we could have a KDE</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>app
that wraps the uninstall process as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=681043212-07042003> </SPAN></DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Craig Black
[mailto:blackfarm@mountain.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 06, 2003 9:02
PM<BR><B>To:</B> For discussion and fixing of usability problems in KDE
through the KDE Usability Project<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: AW: Four points to
make Linux the ultimate (win) killerapp<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>You should take a
look at <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="http://www.lindows.com">www.lindows.com</A> KDE the easy way
:)<BR><BR>netstacy wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=941462222-04042003><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=914383722-04042003> </SPAN>Hi Folks, </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>pleas excuse
my english, its not the best. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>I have a
four-point suggestion on how to make Linux the ultimate Win-killerapp. I
based my suggestions on "What makes me Stop using Windows, and start using
Linux?" (Definately, if i imagine the use of these following
points on my knoppix, it would be
incredible)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>So here we go,
Please give me thirty seconds.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>I. Setup
routine</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>I am missing
an Installer. When I downloaded an application to my KDE Desktop, I
want to click on a Setup-Icon, wich does the rest for me. End
:)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>II. Linux Web
update</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>Why getupdate?
Why Serverlists and Console-Typing? I like the windowsupdate.com site.
Please make me one for Linux.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>III. Automatic
Wine</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>When I
downloaded a Windows app on my KDE Desktop and try to start it, this
should happen: </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>A graphical
Window, that first say: "You are trying to start a Windows application
under a Linux OS. This may occure problems. try anyway Y/N?" Then Wine
should make the rest for me automatically in the background, or in a new
window.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>IV. oh yes
- i like shortcuts and Program Folder entries for every new
installed program. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=941462222-04042003>Thank you,
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=941462222-04042003>xtraa</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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