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Subject: Re: concept: action area in konqueror
From: "Luke Chatburn" <luke () linuxcomment ! com>
Date: 2003-02-27 11:40:22
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Windows' loss, even.
My grammar has been terribly poor of late.
-Luke
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Chatburn" <luke@linuxcomment.com>
To: <kde-usability@mail.kde.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: concept: action area in konqueror
> Because it's an extension to the toolbar in most respects (separating the
> functionality into two logical areas of the screen subtly confuses the
user)
> and from an HCI (Human Computer Interaction - UI theory) and human vision
> perspective, we are pre-disposed to horizontal reading rather than
vertical.
> :)
>
> It has to be said, people don't really use vertical toolbars too much for
> these reasons. Windows XP has sidebar-based context facilities, but they
> don't get used as much with normal users as they might (from my
observation
> of a few collegues). They are text + icon, but most space is taken by the
> text and they are, frankly out of the way of normal mouse and eye
activity.
>
> Ah well... Windows loss, our gain :)
>
> -Luke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Hugh-Jones" <hughjonesd@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: <kde-usability@mail.kde.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: concept: action area in konqueror
>
>
> > I think this is a very cool idea. My only question is, why have it in
> > the top bar rather than in the sidebar? It seems like we already have
> > some space available at the side, so is there a need to take up more?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 09:41, Luke Chatburn wrote:
> > > Hi Aaron...
> > >
> > > Yeah, getting rid of the status bar would make sense. I think there
are
> > > certainly usability gains if this is done, since at the moment, it can
> be
> > > tricky to work out which pane is selected in a multi-paned view. The
> green
> > > dot isn't that intuitive sometimes. Having a visible context "You are
> > > working over here!" bar, might resolve that.
> > >
> > > Space is the issue :-/ I just made the icons 48x48 because I could, to
> match
> > > the icons underneath. I think something that is worth remembering,
> though,
> > > is that there is alway the capability of the user to shrink the width
of
> the
> > > bar to the point where they can't really see much. There are probably
> also
> > > situations where we want to offer more tasks than space provides, no
> matter
> > > the icon size. Some sort of rotation bar/sideways scrolling needs to
be
> > > implemented for these cases, I think.
> > >
> > > One other point to note, is that if it gets too small, it is less
> visually
> > > obvious, and becomes effectively another toolbar :-/ I went for the
> "Hey!
> > > Look at this! See what you can do now!" thing :)
> > >
> > > > i'm a little concerned about trying to offer "selected file" based
> actions
> > > > rather than simply "view" actions there due to the annoying time i
had
> > > using
> > > > them while using XP[1]. but it would be interesting to experiment
with
> > > > indeed...
> > >
> > > Fair point :) It was just that I had an image selected when I took the
> > > screeny and couldn't be bothered to do a new one. It might be nice to
> do,
> > > though.. View options are context for an unselected view and selected
> stuff
> > > gets context too?
> > >
> > > I must admit, I was amused at the thought of Konqy, while web
browsing,
> > > popping up the bar with "Edit", "Set as Homepage", etc. on right click
> or
> > > something. The Mozilla users would go green :)
> > >
> > > -Luke
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo@olympusproject.org>
> > > To: <kde-usability@mail.kde.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:10 AM
> > > Subject: Re: concept: action area in konqueror
> > >
> > >
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> > > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:46, Luke Chatburn wrote:
> > > > > Hi...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.silklantern.com/snapshot7.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a random test idea. I may be getting what you are envisioning
> > > > > completely wrong, Aaron.
> > > >
> > > > that was pretty much exactly what i was thinking of =)) this could
> replace
> > > the
> > > > status bar at the bottom so that it wasn't taking up _too_ much
extra
> > > room,
> > > > as well...
> > > >
> > > > the challenge will be ensuring we can fit all the necessary items
into
> it.
> > > the
> > > > large icons look nice, but may well end up taking too much space.
> > > > unfortunately i'm not an artist, so it would be interesting to see
> other
> > > > people's[1] takes on this with an eye to being a bit more compact
> > > >
> > > > i'm a little concerned about trying to offer "selected file" based
> actions
> > > > rather than simply "view" actions there due to the annoying time i
had
> > > using
> > > > them while using XP[1]. but it would be interesting to experiment
with
> > > > indeed...
> > > >
> > > > [1] including you Luke, of course =)
> > > > [2] I used XP for 2 days a few months ago. most of the time i futzed
> > > around
> > > > with the file manager to see what it was like. learned a lot about
> what i
> > > did
> > > > and didn't like ;-)
> > > >
> > > > - --
> > > > Aaron J. Seigo
> > > > GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43
> > > >
> > > > KDE: The 'K' is for 'kick ass'
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