From kde-usability Sun Jun 30 23:48:12 2002 From: Troels Tolstrup Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:48:12 +0000 To: kde-usability Subject: Re: KFileDialog take 2 X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-usability&m=102548089223855 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 30 June 2002 21:56, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Sunday 30 June 2002 04:40, Troels Tolstrup wrote: > > Which is my problem with it, i dont think the users tmp files and > > the systems tmp files should be put in the same place. As i > > mentioned, my > > unless of course the user is looking for where all the temporary > files go to open something up there. But they shouldnt have to open any of the systems temporary files, and if they do they should know how to find them. > > temp dir already contains 105 files, and that is all stuff that kde > > has generated. I dont think it is very helpful to point a user to > > that directory. > > so we should point them somewhere where the temp files aren't when > they are looking for the place to put temp files? Yes, i think so. I know /tmp is the unix way, but i dont think it is a sane desktop way of doing things. > > I also dont think it should use /tmp as on some systems this > > is nuked at reboot, which the user might not know, and not all > > temporary files are THAT temporary :) > > the word is "temporary", as in the opposite of "permanent" So you want to define what is temporary for a user? For me "temporary" often means a few weeks. And i usually dont want to lose my temporary files if the power goes out and the system is rebooted before im done with the files. I also think it is bad practice in envionments with NFS mounted homedirs that you save a temporary file on one system, and then cant find it on another. > > Right now the desktop is in the homedir, and trash is in the > > desktop dir. I cant see why there couldnt be a temp folder in the > > homedir as well. > > because the system cleans out the temp dirs and the /tmp directory > has been set aside for exactly that purpose. there is a symlink in > you $KDEHOME to the temp dir, however. And this is where i think there is a difference between system files and user files. The system temp files should be cleaned out, while i dont think such a thing is good for user files. Should the trash can be emptied at reboot too? I mean, it is garbage right? Normally garbage is picked up once a week.... I think the only one who can decide how long a temporary file is needed is the user, and the user alone. Not you, not me, not a computer restart :) > > Another argument is if they backup their entire home directory and > > later restore it. If you use the temporary files button i dont > > think it is obvious to the user they he/she is not saving to their > > homedir somewhere, and the temporary files will then not be in that > > backup. The > > again, temporary not permanent ... backups are irrelevant > > as for it obviously not being in their homedir, the location is > clearly shown. For you backup of temporary files might be irrelevant, but again, why force that on the user? > > (why there is a documents option that just points at ~ i dont > > know), > > because that's where your documents go? But then what is the difference from "home"? why have 2 buttons right next to eachother that does the exact same thing? That doesnt make much sense to me. > > out. That also makes it hard for them to later locate the files > > with konqueror since IIRC there is no "temporary files" shortcut > > there. I generally dont think it is easy enough to find the > > locations from the sidebar in konqueror which i think is a problem. > > Think: "i just saved a file using a location from the sidebar, and > > now i would like to find the file with konqueror" > > if people indeed need to regularly get to their temp files in > konqueror, then that is a deficiency in konqeuror rather than the > file dialog. Depends on where it should be changed... If it shouldnt be accessable easily in konqueror then i think the fault is in the dialog. My conclusion on this thing is that i see many reasons as to why the temporary files thing should point to a dir in the users home directory, while i see no reasons as to why it should point to /tmp. Mvh Troels -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9H7RcmTmAA3i3lrERAvVCAKCmrgx5tyQCKEZNW3CUEJ/AfY5iZACfeyxH MekMXf6TK3GXMfbojmO03U8= =JXgk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ kde-usability mailing list kde-usability@mail.kde.org http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability