Personally I vote for migration of mailing lists to Discuss. It has a = modern WebUI with 0Auth for those who is unfamiliar with mailing lists, = so it will alove to engage more new people + mailing list mode who = prefer them. > 27 =D0=BA=D0=B2=D1=96=D1=82. 2023=E2=80=AF=D1=80. =D0=BE 22:42 Joseph = P. De Veaugh-Geiss =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0= =B2(=D0=BB=D0=B0): >=20 > Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists. >=20 > To discuss, please answer to kde-community@kde.org. >=20 > tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing = lists at KDE. What do we want to do with them? >=20 > This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general = discussion about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new = thread or wait until I address that, likely in the very near future. >=20 > _Inactive Mailing Lists_ >=20 > For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in = KDE's internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing = lists publicly listed at: >=20 > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ >=20 > Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some = of which were never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon = further inspection, but these seem like a good place to start. >=20 > By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past = 2-3 years at least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago. = For several of these lists, there are long gaps in activity, often with = no community responses to the most recent posts. >=20 > The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email. >=20 > Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same = as a list that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular = communication for that community to be active. If you see your = community's mailing list here and think it is a mistake, please let me = know! My apologies in advance if this is the case. >=20 > Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project = is inactive. It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used = channel of communication. There are many other channels for community = discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, etc.). >=20 > _Some Questions To The KDE Community_ >=20 > * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists? >=20 > * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see anything = at the Community Wiki. [1] >=20 > * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for = posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing = list ARChives" [3]. >=20 > * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to = somewhere with generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking = Discuss)? I can imagine being in a more active online space could = increase general participation for otherwise low activity groups. >=20 > _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_ >=20 > I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing = lists. Here are just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones: >=20 > * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's = communication is. >=20 > * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list = is no longer in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an = inactive one. >=20 > * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for = futher contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered. >=20 > * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their = overall activity. >=20 > * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's = server infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services. >=20 > Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group = by pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific = list. If there is a reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list open, = then let's keep it open! I myself like mailing lists for various forms = of communication (announcements, long-form discussion, information which = I want to archive locally for future reference, etc.). >=20 > If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a = challenge to go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I = tried my best not to. >=20 > I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions! >=20 > Cheers, > Joseph >=20 > [1] https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists > [2] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel > [3] https://marc.info/ >=20 > # Overview >=20 > Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following: >=20 > * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed > * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists > * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists >=20 > # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists] >=20 > ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list = yet, so the archives are currently empty.") >=20 > * Calligra-author: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author > * Cantor-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs > * Gcompris-espanol: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol > * Kde-dashboard: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard > * kde-games-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs > * Kde-i18n-it: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it > * Kde-l10n-my: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my > * Kde-l10n-sw: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw > * KDE-Look: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look > * Kde-partnership: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership > * Kdepim-builds: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds > * neon-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs >=20 > ## Officially Closed [1 list] >=20 > * kde-nonlinux: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux >=20 > # Inactive General Lists [27 lists] >=20 > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists] >=20 > * kde-artists: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists > * Heaptrack: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack > * CuteHMI: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi > * Khtml-cvs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs > * Cki-attendees: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees >=20 > ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists] >=20 > * Snorenotify: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify > * KXStitch: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch >=20 > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists] >=20 > * Choquk-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel > * Kde-embedded: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded > * Kde-buildsystem: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem > * WikiToLearn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn > * Marble-commits: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits > * Ksecretservice-devel: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel > * KDE-Telepathy: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy > * Kde-speech: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech > * Kexi: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi > * Enterprise: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise > * Marble: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble > * kde-women: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women > * kde-usa: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa > * kopete-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel > * Kde-scm-interest: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest > * Kexi-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel >=20 > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists] >=20 > * SymbolEditor: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor > * Gcompris-portugues: = https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues > * kdelibs-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs > * QmlWeb: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb >=20 > # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists] >=20 > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists] >=20 > * Kde-i18n-eu: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu > * Kde-edu-pt_br: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br >=20 > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists] >=20 > * Kde-i18n-uk: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk > * KDE-india: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india > * Kde-l10n-in: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in > * Kde-latam: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam > * Kde-l10n-kn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn >=20 > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists] >=20 > * Kde-el: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el > * kde-mexico: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico > * Kde-l10n-si: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si >=20 > ## Infrequently Active [1 list] >=20 > * KDE-Italia: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia >=20 > --=20 > Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss > KDE Internal Communications & KDE Eco Community Manager > OpenPGP: 8FC5 4178 DC44 AD55 08E7 DF57 453E 5746 59A6 C06F > Matrix: @joseph:kde.org >=20 > Generally available Monday-Thursday from 10-16h CET/CEST. Outside of = these times it may take a little longer for me to respond. >=20 > KDE Eco: Building Energy-Efficient Free Software! > Website: https://eco.kde.org > Mastodon: @be4foss@floss.social >=20