From kde-scm-interest  Wed Sep 08 11:52:08 2010
From: zander () kde ! org
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:52:08 +0000
To: kde-scm-interest
Subject: Re: [Kde-scm-interest] Sysadmin advice regarding Monolithic vs
Message-Id: <201009081352.09034.zander () kde ! org>
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On Wednesday 8. September 2010 12.44.41 Tom Albers wrote:
> And I again will point you that the fact that at least I was under the
> impression that kde-scm-interest was a list about bikeshedding about
> which scm we should choose. Which I really don't care about. I never
> considered it the decision making list. I would be surprised if I were the
> only one. The list is not called kde-git-implementation@kde.org, which I
> would have joined right from the start.

The list was started to coordinate people with an interest in scm's. The 
result so far is that people that were like minded started doing work and we 
now have
* a conversion tool
* a consensus in those doing thework on how to split repositories
* a nice progress on getting the conversion done.
So calling this a bikeshedding list is not entirely fair, but it shows we have 
to do more work to make clear what our progress has been so far!

But back to the nature of this list;
naturally we have seen people suggest we move to mercurial, but as those that 
prefer mercurial have not managed to get the tools and put in the work to get 
conversion from svn to mercurial etc, they have stopped making the point.
The same goes for the split-repository people. There are some vocal ones that 
want to split the repos, but they are not fixing git to handle that well, they 
are not writing the conversion tools to make it possible. A proposal without 
follow-up is just that; a proposal.
As such we, on this list, have a clear direction; the people that do the work 
have chosen one specific approach and are grouping their efforts to get there.

The approach we have been following is different from what sysadmin is assuming 
we have and is optimizing the sites for. If I understand the doc correctly.
Maybe sysadmin can write a proposal on what things would look like and how we 
can optimize things using the work already done. The exact list can be 
extracted from the rules repo; 
grep 'create repo' * | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d\  -f3 | sort | uniq

I'll attach the result as a text file.

Assume that the decision is what it was last week; to split as indicated in 
the attached file. How would that work for our setup?

As you guys seemed to not have been aware of the actual plan we have been 
executing (as indicated in the document by the assumption that kdeextragear 
would have been one module) it would be nice if you could write another email 
that builds on top of our work and gives hints on small changes that may make 
everyones life better.
At least that would avoid discouraging people that already put in a lot of 
time and have gone though this discussion too many times already.
-- 
Thomas Zander

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