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Subject: Re: Suggestion to drop kopete from KDE Gear
From: Jonathan Riddell <jr () jriddell ! org>
Date: 2023-07-31 8:48:50
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I'd agree on this having taken a quick look at it, I can't see a useful
function for this app any more.
Jonathan
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 22:15, Heiko Becker <heiko.becker@kde.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to keep kopete at least buildable against recent version of its
> dependencies by removing some obsolete parts. But it occured to me that if
> I were to continue with that, there wouldn't be much left. It suffers from
> the same problems with dead or (at least dying) protocols I wrote down for
> ktp [1], so I'll just add some relevant things affecting kopete:
>
> - Contrary to ktp it doesn't use pidgin for ICQ/AIM, but a custom
> implementation, the result is the same. AIM ceased to exist and ICQ
> changed
> its protocol (and thus kopete silently fails to with the latter).
> - XMPP/Jabber allows to connect, but joining a room crashes kopete, which
> matches a bug report from 2019 [2]
> - winpopup was apparently discontinued after Windows XP
> - qq: I'm hesistant to give them my phone number to manually register an
> account (the link behind the register button times out). Pidgin removed
> support for this in 2011, which is roughly the same time a non-porting
> commit touched the code and there is a bug report that it indeed doesn't
> work [3]
>
> I didn't have/find an instance to test Bonjour and my distro doesn't
> provide a package for libmeanwhile, so no testing of these.
>
> In addition, it has a very long list of (partly very old) bugs [4] (no
> idea
> how many, bugzilla stops after 500), and my impression from testing a few
> is that many of them are easily reproduceably today.
>
> As much as I used kopete for chatting back in the day, I seriously think
> it's broken enough to stop shipping it with Gear, if nobody surprisingly
> steps up and does at least some basic maintenance.
>
> If you know anybody who's still around and cares for kopete, please feel
> free to bring this mail to their attention.
>
> Regards,
> Heiko
>
> [1] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2023-June/013080.html
> [2] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412228
> [3] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460744
> [4]
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_sta \
> tus=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=2429758&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&product=kopete&query_format=advanced
>
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<div dir="ltr"><div>I'd agree on this having taken a quick look at it, I \
can't see a useful function for this app any \
more.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div><div><br></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 22:15, \
Heiko Becker <<a href="mailto:heiko.becker@kde.org">heiko.becker@kde.org</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br> <br>
I wanted to keep kopete at least buildable against recent version of its <br>
dependencies by removing some obsolete parts. But it occured to me that if <br>
I were to continue with that, there wouldn't be much left. It suffers from <br>
the same problems with dead or (at least dying) protocols I wrote down for <br>
ktp [1], so I'll just add some relevant things affecting kopete:<br>
<br>
- Contrary to ktp it doesn't use pidgin for ICQ/AIM, but a custom <br>
implementation, the result is the same. AIM ceased to exist and ICQ changed <br>
its protocol (and thus kopete silently fails to with the latter).<br>
- XMPP/Jabber allows to connect, but joining a room crashes kopete, which <br>
matches a bug report from 2019 [2]<br>
- winpopup was apparently discontinued after Windows XP<br>
- qq: I'm hesistant to give them my phone number to manually register an <br>
account (the link behind the register button times out). Pidgin removed <br>
support for this in 2011, which is roughly the same time a non-porting <br>
commit touched the code and there is a bug report that it indeed doesn't <br>
work [3]<br>
<br>
I didn't have/find an instance to test Bonjour and my distro doesn't <br>
provide a package for libmeanwhile, so no testing of these.<br>
<br>
In addition, it has a very long list of (partly very old) bugs [4] (no idea <br>
how many, bugzilla stops after 500), and my impression from testing a few <br>
is that many of them are easily reproduceably today.<br>
<br>
As much as I used kopete for chatting back in the day, I seriously think <br>
it's broken enough to stop shipping it with Gear, if nobody surprisingly <br>
steps up and does at least some basic maintenance.<br>
<br>
If you know anybody who's still around and cares for kopete, please feel <br>
free to bring this mail to their attention.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Heiko<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2023-June/013080.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2023-June/013080.html</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412228" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412228</a><br> [3] <a \
href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460744" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460744</a><br> [4] <br>
<a href="https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIR \
MED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=2429758&order=chan \
geddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&product=kopete&query_format=advanced" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRM \
ED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_i \
d=2429758&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&product=kopete&query_format=advanced</a><br>
</blockquote></div>
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