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List:       kde-release-team
Subject:    Re: Another RC?, was: Re: Akonadi-Nepomuk Feeder Improvements
From:       Scott Kitterman <kde () kitterman ! com>
Date:       2012-12-31 18:45:03
Message-ID: 2d781497-f8a9-4d9d-8d88-8a3564ac4655 () email ! android ! com
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Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> wrote:

> On Sunday 30 December 2012 20:55:22 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Monday, December 31, 2012 12:24:18 AM Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 30, 2012 02:41:43 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > > Assuming 4.10.1 and 4.10.2 slip similarly, that would result in
> the
> > > > next
> > > > Kubuntu release having 4.10.1 instead of 4.10.2.  We might also
> have
> > > > to
> > > > make  some adjustments to our internal testing milestone
> schedule.
> > > > 
> > > > 4.10.2 would come out a day or two before Kubuntu 13.04 (far to
> late
> > > > for
> > > > pre- release updates) so we'd get to release without the current
> KDE
> > > > SC.  We do ship the point releases as post-release updates, so
> they
> > > > would
> > > > get to users eventually, but post-release QA is a lot more work
> for
> > > > us.
> > > > 
> > > > This isn't precisely a problem, but changing the release cycle
> now is
> > > > not
> > > > idea  for us.  As long as 4.11 drops back into the usual time
> slot
> > > > (and
> > > > doesn't also slip), then the impact would not be major.
> > > 
> > > Would adding in two instead of three weeks work for you?
> > 
> > No.  Looking at the schedule, it would need to be only a week later
> than
> > the current schedule to make it.  If the 4.10.0 -> 4.10.1 and 4.10.1
> ->
> > 4.10.2 intervals were slightly reduced, maybe we could get there?
> > 
> > Scott K
> 
> Just out of curiosity - how big a deal is it to ship with 4.10.1
> instead of 
> 4.10.2? Does it matter, other than the number? As a user, I'm rather
> fond of 
> having a much more usable KDE PIM in 4.10... I can't judge the
> technical 
> side of this argument but the impact of crappy Nepomuk<->KDEPIM
> interaction 
> is still very noticeable in the RC...

It's difficult to say as it mostly depends on what fixes are in 4.10.2 and that's not \
known yet.  We did release with a .1 before (4.7, IIRC) and we expended significant \
effort cherry picking before the release immediately followed by a QA cycle for 4.7.2 \
as a post release update.   

So, in my one experience,  releasing with a .1 resulted in a noticeably poorer \
experience for users and significant work for the Kubuntu team as packagers/testers.  \
I'd rather avoid it.

If we can move 4.10.0 by three weeks and .1/.2 by two and one respectively,  then (as \
Martin suggests in a later mail) Kubuntu should be fine.  

It's difficult for me to make a firm recommendation on this as I'm not clear on the \
benefits of the proposed changes.  I do generally think it's better to adjust the \
schedule if these late adds are allowed in.

Scott K

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